29-08-2001 13:32									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee The movie was from the early 80s I think. The director was Fernando Colomo. I've seen it twice this year (Telemadrid and TVE Internacional)

Hmm, that one I don't remember, but I do remmeber "La vida alegre", directed by Colomo and starred by Resines as well. Desternillante! Resines es el mejor!

PS: Waku explica lo de la mano esa, hombre, que yo me he quedado ...

	29-08-2001 15:15									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Fiera And "mannetje" would be "hombrecito", I think.

Gracias. Hablo muy poquito espanol...

	29-08-2001 15:36									#63
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Your Spanish is better than my Dutch, that's for sure!

Anyways, a few months here and you'll be a "castizo" Spanish speaker... Look at Chris, he is improving incredibly fast.

	29-08-2001 19:40									#64
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La estabilidad es fruto de fuerzas opuestas (¿Montesquieu? ) y como tenía a "mano" esa mano (era una opción para el avatar) me pareció buena la idea de contrarrestar la "Formación del Espíritu Nacional" con "La Mano Negra", aunque luego me di cuenta de que esta no era la thread más adecuada

	30-08-2001 02:10									#65
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There was another of those annoying time warps. I replied to Fiera's comment on La vida alegre but the post got somewhere in the middle of the previous page

	30-08-2001 04:07									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee Yeah, Resines is/was great. La mano negra was one of his first movies, he still had lots of hair

I think that the less hair he has, the funnier he is...

quote: la vida alegre is fine, although a bit excessive to my tastes. At that time Colomo was already a big name and thus could indulge himself with certain excesses.

Tendré que probar La mano negra entonces, porque con La vida alegre yo me descojono, desde luego... Bueno, si la ha echado Telemadrid, volverán a repetirla antes de tres meses...

	30-08-2001 04:14									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Waku me pareció buena la idea de contrarrestar la "Formación del Espíritu Nacional" con "La Mano Negra", aunque luego me di cuenta de que esta no era la thread más adecuada

Ya sabes que el moderador ha prohibido hablar de política...

Pero por lo menos me permitirá que me aclares una duda: qué representa la Mano Negra?

	30-08-2001 06:50									#68
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No politica? Pero politica es bueno! Que tal sobre economia y globalizacion entonces? Dejad lugar al comunista!

	30-08-2001 10:14									#69
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quote: Originally posted by El Awrence No politica? Pero politica es bueno! Que tal sobre economia y globalizacion entonces? Dejad lugar al comunista!

Scherzi? Io per la politica sono riuscito a litigare persino con mio fratello... e quando litigo io sono dolori e botte... ammira che razza di titolo ho qui ad Apolyton.

A proposito, belle bimbe, JB... quando cresceranno, dovrai stare attento, che te ne faranno passare di tutti i colori... di sicuro romperanno molti cuori...

	30-08-2001 13:55									#70
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Guys, guys, guys, I wasn't referring to that kind of politics... What was that song? Ahh yeah: o partigiano portami via, o bella ciao, bella ciao, e se io muoio da partigiano tu mi devi seppellir... I used to have that as a sig a long time ago just to annoy some people



About the ragazze, Prom, mio amico, I know, I know...

	31-08-2001 00:30									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee o partigiano portami via, o bella ciao, bella ciao, e se io muoio da partigiano tu mi devi seppellir...

Thinking about a Domodossola partisan republic scen, JB?
Then, don't talk about it to my bro, JB... his song is "Faccetta nera"...

quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee About the ragazze, Prom, mio amico, I know, I know...

It's not my word, JB... Ecclesiaste from Holy Bible...

	31-08-2001 00:35									#72
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No scenario.... and what about bandiera rossa?

	31-08-2001 00:53									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee No scenario.... and what about bandiera rossa?

... my song, cacchio!!!


"Avanti popolo,
alla riscossa!!!!
Bandiera rossa
la trionferà!!!"


PS

quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee No scenario.... and what about bandiera rossa?

This song is "Partigiano", and not "Bandiera rossa"...

	31-08-2001 00:59									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Prometeus Then, don't talk about it to my bro, JB... his song is "Faccetta nera"...

No wonder you get to grips every time you talk about politics... BTW, I've known some Italian people so far, and I think it's true that they tend to either strongly lean towards right, or strongly lean towards left.

	31-08-2001 01:11									#75
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Yeah... but when you have a brother like mine, things are more complicated... let me explain better... and with only three terms

me: philosophical studies, communist, football club Milan...

the bro: lawyer studies, fascist, football club Inter...

Add to this that he's the minor one, and the game is done.

PS you forgot "Center", Fiera... "center-right" or "center-left". In a few words, all italians are "centrists". It's the old two mad's joke... "I wanna go to Paris movin' to North" "I wanna go to Paris goin' to South"...

	31-08-2001 01:15									#76
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... and the third mad said: " 'appo ti venga il vermocane, vacci a Parigi e v********!!!".

	31-08-2001 01:33									#77
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Prom, so, I was in the right track, wasn't I? After Bella ciao, partigiano-bandiera rossa is the song to sing ;D

You're an AC Milan supporter? Oh my! I always liked Inter better, sorry. Perhaps because of the color of the shirts, I dunno. Although my Italian team was, is, and will always be: JUVENTUS !!!

	31-08-2001 01:41									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee Prom, so, I was in the right track, wasn't I? After Bella ciao, partigiano-bandiera rossa is the song to sing ;D

Definitely... BTW Bella ciao is the also the other name for "Partigiano" song".

quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee You're an AC Milan supporter? Oh my! I always liked Inter better, sorry. Perhaps because of the color of the shirts, I dunno.

AC Milan is aka Devil's squad... dislike sulphur smell, JB?

quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee Although my Italian team was, is, and will always be: JUVENTUS !!!

Oh, mamma miaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!! Got 483 cousins ( Ist, IInd and IIIrd grade ) and almost all of them are "juventines"...

BTW about Baby bees... I got 42 IInd grade nephews, too... so I'm IInd grade uncle 42 times... pretty a great clan, huh?

	31-08-2001 01:47									#79
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Yo no parlo Italiano!

	31-08-2001 01:53									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Prometeus Definitely... BTW Bella ciao is the also the other name for "Partigiano" song".

In the Spanish version, Bella Ciao is dubbed 'Cancion del partisano'

	31-08-2001 01:53									#81
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quote: Originally posted by El Awrence Yo no parlo Italiano!

Ei su sardu su matessi nono, jeo credo...

To JB

Aka with both titles also in italian, "bella ciao" on north, "partigiano" on south.

	31-08-2001 02:05									#82
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quote: Originally posted by El Awrence Yo no parlo Italiano!

ma come! si 50% della populazione argentina è d'origine italiano

porca miseria

	31-08-2001 02:19									#83
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Porca miseria and.... CORPO DI BACCO!!!!

(Those are the only two phrases that the gangsters say in the Mortadelo & Filemón comicstrips)

	31-08-2001 23:15									#84
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When Spanish and Italian speakers talk in their mother tongue, can you understand what each other says? I know that they are similar languages so I'm just wondering...

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quote: Originally posted by Chris Wilkinson When Spanish and Italian speakers talk in their mother tongue, can you understand what each other says? I know that they are similar languages so I'm just wondering...

That's quite interesting Chris.

I understand perfectly well written portuguese but it's quite difficult to me to understand it when they talk.

Italian is exactly the other way round, spoken italian is much easier than written italian to me.

... and I don't really know why?

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quote: Originally posted by Waku That's quite interesting Chris. I understand perfectly well written portuguese but it's quite difficult to me to understand it when they talk. Italian is exactly the other way round, spoken italian is much easier than written italian to me. ... and I don't really know why?

I completely agree with Waku. The problem of Portuguese is that its phonetics sets it apart from any other Latin language. In written however it's almost identical to Spanish.

About the Italian, many times I have to say to myself what Prometeus has written so I can get the meaning. The more to the South of Italy yo go the closer Italian is to Spanish. I tend to watch RAI a lot and it's so funny for me to compare accents: people I barely understand: Northerners. People who actually speak a Spanish dialect but mellowed with an Italian accent: Southerners

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quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee I completely agree with Waku. The problem of Portuguese is that its phonetics sets it apart from any other Latin language. In written however it's almost identical to Spanish.

True.

quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee About the Italian, many times I have to say to myself what Prometeus has written so I can get the meaning. The more to the South of Italy yo go the closer Italian is to Spanish.

The more you go south, the more italian avoided external influences, resembling to original latin...

quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee I tend to watch RAI a lot and it's so funny for me to compare accents: people I barely understand: Northerners.

... their celtic accent is a lot heavy, especially people from Friuli... an example, "We found home"? Italian: "Abbiamo trovato casa"; Ladino-friulan: "E viin cjatat cjase".

quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee People who actually speak a Spanish dialect but mellowed with an Italian accent: Southerners

Spanish and italian are a lot alike, JB. I easily understand written spanish, but you have to remember that's because southerners ( and sardinians in particular ) were spaniards for almost four-five centuries.

	01-09-2001 01:18									#88
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Mafangulo!

Que no tengo ni una gota de sangre italiana!

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Welll, from my experiences with Italian people, I can say that I can understand without problems 80% of what they say (if they don't speak too fast, that is).

Same goes for them when we speak Spanish, I think. In fact, I've been having long conversations with Italian people this month, in which they said something in Italian, and I replied to it in Spanish. It works!

Regarding the Northerners/Southerners differences, I've been told that the Vicenza dialect (or variety) is the most close to Spanish (it's strange, 'casue Vicenza lies in the north, in azone hardly influenced by the Spanish, but I once met a guy from Vicenza and I can say that we could understand each other pretty well).

	01-09-2001 01:19									#90
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Que no usas mas ICQ, Fiera?