24-08-2001 22:51									#31
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Heh, for military, for most of the game, rush buying is unnecessary, just make hundreds of warriors at the beginning, and let leo's teach them to use muskets and rifles. Not much micromanagement at all there

	25-08-2001 02:59									#32
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sorry to pick holes in your strategy barefoot, but you can't upgrade warriors to anything, thats why they are a last resort

	25-08-2001 04:01									#33
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever sorry to pick holes in your strategy barefoot, but you can't upgrade warriors to anything, thats why they are a last resort

I am too lazy to confirm this, but I am almost sure that warriors are indeed upgraded to better units if you have the wonder. (At least in 2.42, they are)

	25-08-2001 13:21									#34
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Warriors
Phalanx
Pikemen
Musketeers
Riflemen
Yes, it does upgrade with Leo

	26-08-2001 14:23									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Marko Polo 1.4.5. FOOD CARAVAN TRICK It has recently been discovered that a city can use food caravans to set up food trade routes with itself. Using this trick it is also possible to get your city to grow in population even if you have a food shortage. It is not known exactly in what circumstances this will work and it may be version specific. This use of food caravans is NOT allowed in OCC games. You are of course still allowed to use caravans to help build wonders or to disband them to contribute to whatever you are building.

What do you mean that food caravan trick is NEW? I have used it as long as I can remember!

	26-08-2001 14:25									#36
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And somebody explain me how to use the quote thing...mine looks weird

	26-08-2001 15:42									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Jusbaummer And somebody explain me how to use the quote thing...mine looks weird

For some reason... there was some extra HTML code in the quote that set up a table. Once I went in and edited it, it solved the problem

And yes, the Food Caravan trick has been known and documented for a very long time.

	27-08-2001 13:56									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Julius Brenzaida Warriors Phalanx Pikemen Musketeers Riflemen Yes, it does upgrade with Leo

Yes, but not to phalanx. Upgrade path is warrior->pikemen, or warrior->musketeer if you avoid discovery of Feudalism .

	29-08-2001 04:58									#39
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DaveV, you da man, but my recollection is that without feudalism the warriors don't upgrade to musketeer. They'll go directly from warrior to musketeer if you have feudalism AND gunpowder. N'est-ce pas?

	29-08-2001 14:19									#40
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quote: Originally posted by debeest DaveV, you da man, but my recollection is that without feudalism the warriors don't upgrade to musketeer. They'll go directly from warrior to musketeer if you have feudalism AND gunpowder. N'est-ce pas?

Ce n'est pas. The "official" upgrade for warriors is pikemen; once you discover feudalism, Leo will upgrade warriors to pikemen, and warrior production will upgrade to pikemen. In addition, discovery of gunpowder obsoletes all pre-gunpowder unmounted units. Leo's will upgrade pikes, phalanxes, legions, and archers to musketeers. If you manage to discover gunpowder without discovering feudalism, warriors will upgrade directly to musketeers. And production will not be upgraded: any cities that were building warriors can continue to do so, although you can't change production of any city to warriors. If you discover feudalism after gunpowder, both units and production will be upgraded to pikemen and then musketeers on successive turns.

I'm sure it works this way, because this used to be my entire strategy before I came to this site: relentless ICS, and flood the map with 10-shield musketeers.

	29-08-2001 17:42									#41
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I know you and I have discussed this particular question already, and I think we arrived at agreement; I suppose I'm just mis-remembering now. Although, good grief, this was MY whole strategy too.

And what's your strategy now, if not that? You're not moving on from ICS, are you?

	30-08-2001 17:31									#42
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since there a lot of talk about cheating here's an other one
=>build an enormous amount of cities(>120 or something are needed in the entire world)at one point there will be so many cities that the next city his units will all be NONE-units,now if you build a dozen of those cities spread throughout your empire and then make all you other units home in one of those all your units are none-units and there is no more need for shieldsupport under any government(Demo&Rep !!!! )
Could you also consider this as a cheat?(since all cities the AI builds after that point also only produce NONE-units?)

(PS1:just lately found the patch to upgrade to Civ 2.42 and I'm not certain it works there to(only 116 cities on the map for the moment and i think you need at least 127)If anyone knows?
PS2:now that I am thinking about it do NONE units have different stats then normal units(eg do they have a bigger chance to lose a fight?),just curious.)

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	30-08-2001 22:17									#43
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Yes, rehoming units to a NON support city would be cheating. I come across this once, but didn't know at the time it was because of the number of cities. So I can't help you determine how many the limit is.

NON-units are the same as any other of your units in combat situations.

	30-08-2001 23:20									#44
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It's after 127 cities indeed that you get non units. But it is fixed by the patch, the 2.42 that is and doesn't work in later versions. In case you ask, the maximum number of cities is 255
I think the none units behave "normally", but I am not sure

	30-08-2001 23:50									#45
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quote: It's after 127 cities indeed that you get non units.

=>expected something like that(7bit)

quote: But it is fixed by the patch, the 2.42 that is and doesn't work in later versions.

==>Damn

quote: In case you ask, the maximum number of cities is 255

=>I knew(1 byte=256 or array=0..255)

quote: I think the none units behave "normally", but I am not sure

=> I know they should but I really am not sure,but that could just be an impression.

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