11-11-2001 18:07									#61
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I am finishing up the civ-level military supply stuff. The way I would like to do it is have the economy assume the player wants military supplies at 100%, and automatically generate a civ-level order to do this. Otherwise the player would have to continuously tweak the amt of the order. It is possible to do something with an ROI setting at some point, but I think it isn't as important as other things now.

Does anyone think its a Bad idea to have military supply level automatically taken care of, at least for the near future?

	11-11-2001 19:51									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Mark_Everson I could put in an Education infrastructure class now rather than later, and give RPs for the amount of Education.

That sounds like a good plan. The player would use the economy interface and infraclass to adjust the total input to the whole system, and the tech interface to adjust the relative inputs to the individual technologies.

There is one potential problem. We have to make sure the RP inputs add up to 100%. So what happens when the player bumps up the spending in one technology? The slider in civ2 could be annoying, and it only had three categories.

Perhaps we could write an algorithm to drop the spending of all other techs equally. So if there were 10 techs each getting 10% of the RP's and the player increased the RP of one tech to 15%, all the other techs would drop to 9.44%

There should also be the ability to lock a tech's spending so it can't be affected by this algorithm. I'll edit the table to reflect this.

Something like this would also be very helpful in the economy interface. Now, if I want to bump up sending in one category while keeping total spending the same, I have to manually decrase all the otehr categories a little. This algorithm would do that automatically.

	12-11-2001 06:07									#63
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What does the Lock/Unlock button do?

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Gary

	12-11-2001 06:25									#64
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Lock/unlock: There are n techs and so n percentages that add up to 100%. when you change a percentage, the others rebalance proportionally so that the total is still 100%. If you lock a value it is not changed in the rebalancing. Hope that's clear.

	12-11-2001 06:30									#65
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Yep.

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	16-11-2001 05:57									#66
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Roads for Demo 5.1

Here is what Gary and I have come up with:

Building roads: There will be a gui that works like movement allowing road routes to be planned. The resources to build roads will come from a civ-wide roads budget, just like I'm handling Army Supplies. Once you put resources into the Road Building infra class you are allowed to build until the class runs out. You can have planned roads automatically fill in, maybe starting at a city. Just plan the road and allocate resources and the rest will be done automatically.

Of course in the future it could be much more automated, but I think it's good for now. Any big issues?

	17-11-2001 01:15									#67
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The roads will be built strictly in the order that they are planned. So if the GUI is used to build a road from Rome to Naples, the part nearest Rome will be built first. There is no provision (or planned provision) to allow cancellation of road building orders.

In fact, road building ought to be quite slow. The roads are military roads. In the whole history of the human race, the only people who built military roads were the Romans. By the time technology had caught up with that of the Romans, railways had arrived.

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	17-11-2001 01:15									#68
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Rivers.

Yes, there will be rivers.

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	17-11-2001 02:19									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Gary Thomas In fact, road building ought to be quite slow.

Slow by making them very expensive, or by imposing some sort of other restriction?

	17-11-2001 02:33									#70
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By some other means. Even if you put a huge amount into the kitty it doesn't mean that you can make a road from Rome to Shanghai in one turn.

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	22-11-2001 06:27									#71
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Its getting to be demo 5.1 time. Here is what we had a ways back, modified as appropriate. We are hoping to have it out this coming weekend.

1. Roads -- Perhaps to build them just have player draw an outline on the map and return a cost? And you'd only be able to build roads within your civ.

Gary is closing in on this.

2. Civs with real provinces and territory in the scenarios. We will implement Gary's idea for borders (From map graphics thread).

This has yet to be implemented, but should be relatively easy.

3. Merchants (at least an alpha version)

Not finished, but most of the way there, including rudimentary AI to find the best trade routes.

4. Archers in the military model. I don't know about the status of ships. Laurent?

5. New info screen that shows the big things that happened in the turn with links to more detailed info if the player desires.

Gary has this mostly going.

There are also some GUI improvements like turn numbers displayed on movement paths, and some bug fixes.

Did I miss anything big, and does anyone think 1-5 aren't achievable by the end of the weekend? I am now on a 4-day weekend so I'll pick up my pace and expect to finish merchants and do some debugging and manual updating. After that I'm going to start on the tech hookups to econ for D5.2.

	22-11-2001 13:19									#72
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Ships model is in and seems to be working, but I don't think we have an interface for boarding ships, and showing/moving them. Gary?

	23-11-2001 03:08									#73
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Come on guys, hurry up!

The Plebs are getting restless.

	23-11-2001 06:38									#74
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Yeah, yeah, we're woikin' on it already

I have pretty much finished implementing merchants to my 5.1 spec. Merchants are created, one per city, and they automatically search for the best inter-city two-commodity trade they can arrange. The search is intra-civ only for now, and based purely on economic value, since the merchants *teleport* their goods for now, without need of transport capability. Harry Potter eat your hear out

I will be working on a bit of bug-finding next. After that tech-econ hookups.

	29-11-2001 05:21									#75
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On the issue of support for 800x600 resolution, Laurent said in an email:

quote: I would like to point out that under 800x600, D5 was playable, but with the additional Road button in the top bar, the End Turn button almost vanishes, and only intuition allows one to click on the small bit of screen over there... Windows are not catastrophic, but buttons are. One question: Do you use the Move/End Move button? I never do. It could be a way to gain some space on top?

In response:

I use the move button. Since the econ orders buttons take up nearly half the real estate, I think those are the ones that should be put on a diet. I think the buttons could be changed to say "Square Econ Orders", "Province" and "Civ" without much loss of clarity. (They're already separaged from the others) For that matter, econ orders just aren't going to be issued all that often in the game, so they could be put in a drop-down menu to make room for other more-often-used features.

I guess we should also work out a set of default sizes for the frames for 800x600 and switch to them when that resolution is detected on the monitor. Is there anyone that still uses 640x480? I'm not sure we can fit everything in that size screen without reworking a bunch of things, so I'd prefer to avoid it.

	29-11-2001 05:29									#76
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It is quite odd. I made the post above, but the thread didn't go to the top, it stayed about 15 below the top. This is my attempt to get it where people will see the post...

	30-11-2001 10:13									#77
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The toolbar is supposed to automatically adjust itself. I will check that out.

I also intended to make a single economics button, with a popup menu (like the view one) for the individual economics frames.

Finally, I will test the 800 x 600 configuration.

The game will never run on 640 x 480.

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	03-12-2001 23:01									#78
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My internet access is a little tenuous at present - at work the Clash site is blocked, and at home my son-in-law (I am staying with my daughter) downloads gigabytes of games, taking all night. The only time the telephone is free is when I am at work...

However, I would give, for D6 (or D5.2) a very high priority to exploration and fog of war. These will be easy to implement (at least for a one player game.

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	04-12-2001 18:13									#79
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You have achieved the 3rd circle of hell in internet access .

Fog of war would definitely help the AI be a little more challenging. I'm not so sure exploration should be all that high a priority. While we're talking about it, here is my

Feature list for D5.2

1. Implement tech test incl. military and econ hookups for the limited techs we have so far.
2. Get real provinces going and reorg govt structure
3. Improve AI by at least bunching units into armies for attacks, and improve sophistication of target selection.
4. Put in fog of war (AI will still know whole map for now, since it would be too time-consuming at this stage IMO to have AI able to deal with uncertainty.)

On smaller things maybe include pillaging. I'm sure there are other things, but that is all that comes to mind for now. Suggestions?

	13-12-2001 05:44									#80
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NOTICE:

We have decided to call the forthcoming demo (formerly called 5.1) Demo 6! This will cause some confusion in the threads for a bit, but I think its the rational thing to do in the long run. The reasoning is that since we don't have version numbers (FE V 0.31) that we might as well have a new release every time we have "enough" new features, and these should just be integers per Clash tradition.
To make sense of this thread going forward I think the following mappings are approximately right
Old New
5.1 -> 6
5.2 -> 7
6 -> 8 or 9

Sorry for any confusion.

	13-12-2001 12:25									#81
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Damn. I have been busy working on D6.1. I guess all that work will fall between the cracks now.

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	13-12-2001 17:25									#82
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I have no absolute philosophical objection to non-integral releases. But the next release should IMO have Tech in it, and thus would qualify for 7 anyway in my book. Lets first discuss what we Want in the new demo and then we'll see. I think we can get a fair amount in it though since it will span the holidays when I can get a lot done.

Also AFAIK there are semi-major refactoring projects in the next release so it will not take a little bit of time. Those not refactoring will make progress in other areas, and I really expect that there will be enough for a '7' release when all is said and done.