29-09-2001 08:08									#31
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I would think you can rebuild your forbidden palace. Maybe you'll have to sell it first though or something...

	29-09-2001 09:25									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Stuie But hey Uber! If you don't want to use a feature, don't.

and i'll make sure NO ONE ELSE BUILDS THEM. HAHAHAHAHHAHA

	29-09-2001 10:50									#33
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I like the idea of a second palace. As a matter of fact, id have a palace in every city if i could!

What?? At least there'd be no corruption And i could travel my country in style

	29-09-2001 17:52									#34
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX and i'll make sure NO ONE ELSE BUILDS THEM. HAHAHAHAHHAHA

I don't doubt it!

	29-09-2001 19:17									#35
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Does it have any adverse effects to move the palace to another city?

	29-09-2001 19:28									#36
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It costs money or shields and you lose the palace function in the old city?

	29-09-2001 19:54									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Snapcase It costs money or shields and you lose the palace function in the old city?

Doh. I was somewhat confused.

What I was trying to say is, if a palace isn't all that expensive to move, then the Fobidden Palace can't cost all that much...

I was hoping for a Great Wonder too, something like 1/3 distance for purposes of calculating corruption.

	29-09-2001 21:10									#38
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What I don't like about the Forbidden Palace is: first, the name "Forbidden City" has always been used exclusively to address the great palaces in Beijing, which makes Forbidden Palace confusing and also makes me wonder why it's not a unique wonder. Second, having six cities is enough to build the F P is just a bit too little. The weakest civ could easily have more than 6 cities and I find it an annoying idea for weak nations to be able to build the Forbidden Palace as the Forbidden City was the greatest group of palaces ever built in the world.

	29-09-2001 23:21									#39
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Yup. It should be called 'the Winter Palace' or 'the Summer Palace'. There have been plenty of them.

Or even just 'the Second Palace'.

	30-09-2001 04:36									#40
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Well...

If you want to make a case for "Forbidden Palace" as a minor wonder sounding too much like the Chinese "Forbidden City" then how about the Apollo Program or Pentagon? All of these (from what I understand) will be minor wonders based on the accomplishments or buildings from different cultures yet will be available to all.

Give it a rest, it's not that big a deal.

	30-09-2001 04:47									#41
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well I want mine to be a Hexagon. Is that too much to ask ?

	01-10-2001 03:32									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Sun Zi 36 What I don't like about the Forbidden Palace is: first, the name "Forbidden City" has always been used exclusively to address the great palaces in Beijing, which makes Forbidden Palace confusing and also makes me wonder why it's not a unique wonder. Second, having six cities is enough to build the F P is just a bit too little. The weakest civ could easily have more than 6 cities and I find it an annoying idea for weak nations to be able to build the Forbidden Palace as the Forbidden City was the greatest group of palaces ever built in the world.

While having six cities is a required condition, doesn't mean it is also the right moment to build it.

You probably need the help of the second palace just when your empire is quite large and distribute over more than one continent (for the sake of discussion I assume Civ III having similar inefficience/corruption rules as SMAC about number of cities and distance from the capital).

About the name, I like it. It sounds exotic and great (and used for cities not only in China, but in Africa, Middle East and South American empire IIRC.

Of course you can probably rename it Camp David if you like it

	01-10-2001 03:36									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Doh. I was somewhat confused. What I was trying to say is, if a palace isn't all that expensive to move, then the Fobidden Palace can't cost all that much...

AFAIK the problem now is about the loss of culture if you relocate your usual palace. You know, any building that add culture point supply them as long as it exist, with some multiplier during the years passed since its founding.

Yes, Forbidden Palace sounds good to me as a minor Wonder

	01-10-2001 05:29									#44
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Sounds very cool to have two centres of administration from which you can decrease construction A successful thread by moi

	01-10-2001 11:23									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Ozymandous If you want to make a case for "Forbidden Palace" as a minor wonder sounding too much like the Chinese "Forbidden City" then how about the Apollo Program or Pentagon? All of these (from what I understand) will be minor wonders based on the accomplishments or buildings from different cultures yet will be available to all.

Well, any civ can build a pentagon shaped building, there's no problem about that. My main concern is just that it seems too easy to build the "Forbidden Palace" (which immediately gives rise to the idea of the "Forbidden City" in your head). I would disagree on the Apollo program too if it is very easily achieved.

quote: Originally posted by Adm.Naismith While having six cities is a required condition, doesn't mean it is also the right moment to build it. You probably need the help of the second palace just when your empire is quite large and distribute over more than one continent (for the sake of discussion I assume Civ III having similar inefficience/corruption rules as SMAC about number of cities and distance from the capital).

Yea i know it's just a required condition doesn't mean it would be the right time to build it. But to me, 6 cities should NOT BE ENOUGH TO EVEN BE ABLE TO BUILD the forbidden palace/city watever it is.

(BTW, it seems a good idea to make the Forbidden City a unique wonder and art of war a minor. That way the Chinse don't have to be militaristic anymore.)

	01-10-2001 14:37									#46
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Hmm. Not that it matters much, but can't the normal Palace be considered and listed as a Minor Wonder with Prerequisits: None? It can only be built once by each civ, so it matches the specification of a minor W. It's actually the first minor wonder you (and everyone else) builds, even though it's automatic.

	01-10-2001 15:41									#47
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Excellent!! Brilliant idea!! Keep 'em coming firaxis!!

Wonder what effect it has on culture? May be best to build it as early as possible..



Though that might mean it doesn't reduce corruption effectively as your empire expands in unexpected directions!!



I can't wait for Civ3!!!

	01-10-2001 15:55									#48
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Will the stupid French AI build its FP in a city right next to it's actual capital? (Paris-Versailles)

Dual capitals are quite common:

Beijing - Nanking
Moscow - St. Petersburg
Rome - Constantinople
Cairo - Alexandria
Persepolis - Susa (or is it Ekvatana?)

	01-10-2001 18:20									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Sun Zi 36 Well, any civ can build a pentagon shaped building, there's no problem about that. My main concern is just that it seems too easy to build the "Forbidden Palace" (which immediately gives rise to the idea of the "Forbidden City" in your head). I would disagree on the Apollo program too if it is very easily achieved.

And any Civ could potentially build a group of palaces together as well. Matter of note is that many cultures built palaces and castles all over the place, just not many cultures built them all in one central location (I guess people liked to see more than one area).

Any technologically developed culture with the resources and will to build something generally can, just because a certain group of real life cultures built certain things doesn't mean they should be restricted in the game, IMHO.

	02-10-2001 01:17									#50
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good point Ozymandous, it's no harder to build and second palace as it is to build a pentagon or the apollo program.

	02-10-2001 02:40									#51
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I'm afraid that real world to Civ3 comparison doesn't go well.
For example:
If I play Russia and want to build the forbiden palace I wouldn't build it in Siberia maximize the effects on the cities. But in the real world the 2nd capital is St. Petersburg. Why would I build the forbiden palace in St. Petersburg?

	02-10-2001 16:28									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Ozymandous And any Civ could potentially build a group of palaces together as well. Matter of note is that many cultures built palaces and castles all over the place, just not many cultures built them all in one central location (I guess people liked to see more than one area). Any technologically developed culture with the resources and will to build something generally can, just because a certain group of real life cultures built certain things doesn't mean they should be restricted in the game, IMHO.

Ah... no. any civ could NOT potentially build a group of palaces as large as the Forbidden City.

U have supported my point in your second paragraph: i dont think a 6 city civ can possibly have the resources to build a thing like the Forbidden City (maybe they should just rename it, it is just too much an ambiguous name).

Yes, i support the fact that just bcos a certain culture built something in real life doesn't mean it should be restricted in the game, BUT if they meant the thing to be something as great as F P or Apollo program, they better make it at least pretty much as difficult to build as in real life.

	02-10-2001 18:19									#53
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quote: Originally posted by RedWhiteArcher I'm afraid that real world to Civ3 comparison doesn't go well. For example: If I play Russia and want to build the forbiden palace I wouldn't build it in Siberia maximize the effects on the cities. But in the real world the 2nd capital is St. Petersburg. Why would I build the forbiden palace in St. Petersburg?

The reason to build a second (Forbidden) palace (not a Forbidden City) are somewhat different from real world and the game.

We must forget the opportunity of any move of Capital City in real life: in Italy we moved our capital city while we annexed all the territory that finally end as Italy. The minor shift can be accepted in real world. The game rules (probably) will require a different placement strategy.

BTW, I almost never moved my Palace. I love to keep my capital the same for all the game long.

	02-10-2001 19:56									#54
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I think the FP is a great idea.