14-10-2001 12:14									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov You will be bombarded with ineffectual whining.

Yeeech....I think I can hold out!!!

	14-10-2001 15:45									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Simpleton I don't know what the penalty for treason is in the pessimist camp

There is no penalty for treason - they thought you would leave them anyway.
(because they are pessimists... )

	14-10-2001 16:08									#33
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Go Skanky, go Skanky!
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Oh, this is of the better threads on this forum!

	14-10-2001 16:40									#34
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I can see the logic of the pessimists. Pull up a rug, sit around the fire and I will tell you all about it:

You see, they are convincing themselves over and over again that this game is going to be awful and terrible. They nitpick over the most tedious of points to make the game look shoddy at every point. But people, not for the reasons you think. This is so when they get their hands on the game, they will be very pleasantly surprised that the game they have been slagging off for all this time is actually good! They have hit the trough of despair now, so their climax will be even more intense than ours, and I can see the logic. Whereas we have had faith all along. It will be good, but we will not be quite as shocked as they are. There is a method to their madness

	14-10-2001 17:21									#35
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Well, as optimistic as I am I can understand the pessemists point of view.

They fall into three camps :

Those who love to hate; they'll buy the game just so they can flame it on the forum. They'll play the game continually and constanly go on about how bad it is. This is spousal abuse. They love it, but they love knocking it more.

Those already let down; the MPlayers, those who after loving mutliplayer Civ 2 will have to wait even longer to get multiplayer Civ 3 ( I never played multiplayer see so I don't care..... )

And the scorned lovers : Those I can relate to most. I mean we know Civ 3 is going to be even better than Civ 2 right? Well we knew that about CTP too and look where that got us. I firmly believed CTP would be brilliant and it took till the sequel to correct some of the glaring problems that were there and yet it STILL isn't as good or addictive as Civ 2 was. Let's hope these pessimists don't have good cause in this case.........

	14-10-2001 17:26									#36
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Well this is why, when the game is released, we will probably need a full-time civ3 mod, to take care of all the little whingers and their disruptive threads who will flood, although you will of course get some valuable newbies.

You will get them coming, and probably whinging about nothing in particular...

	14-10-2001 17:49									#37
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Hi,
my 2 (euro)cents on realism:
the game so far seems good but not awesome -in my opinion, again- because it lacks some depth (sea/space, ecologic reserves, regional management of cities, other things on THE list:
in a way it is a bit too close to civ2, as civ2 was to civ1 IMHO)
and because it lacks some features (MP, and note that I am not a MP fanatic, I almost always play SP).
On the other end the game, being an improvement on civ2, will definitely be good and I will most probably buy it, I am a civ fanatic.
What Firaxis could actually do to "perfect" this product is to produce the patches and upgrades for FREE, I mean I would really not appreciate a sequence like:
Civ 2
Civ 2 patched
Civ 2 scenarios
Civ 2 multiplayer
Civ 2 gold
Civ 2 with double cheese
All sold in separate boxes. You know what I mean, do you ?

	14-10-2001 20:15									#38
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I am an optimist, too. But I am also happy that there are pessimists in the forum.
Imagine what would happen when there are no pessimists. The forum would not be that funny, and there would be awfully less interesting discussions.
BTW I would not have anybody to convince that optimism is superior.

	14-10-2001 20:39									#39
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Shout up, or all will perish under Yin26s power fist!

	14-10-2001 23:54									#40
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Well I wasnt really a pessimist and Ive been very optimistic about the game and I cant wait for it to be released and I am gonna buy it the day it comes out, but I am starting to get a tiny bit pessimistic, u see I dont think we should get TOO optimistic cause, lets face it, the game may actually suck and be worse then C:CTP and CTP2, it maybe one of the worst games of all time, you never know till you actually play it.

	15-10-2001 01:01									#41
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why not wait until you get it to say things like 'civ3 is better than civ2' and so on?

Last edited by Wiglaf on 15-10-2001 at 01:38

	15-10-2001 02:12									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Asesino_Virtual Shout up, or all will perish under Yin26s power fist!

I find it funny how the first pessimist to come in here said "this will be shut down becouse it is going to be troublesome" then the second one come in and tells us all to shut up becouse yin will smash us... this meens 3 thing to me.

1- they really have no clue what there purpose is (lack of communication)
2- they try to start trouble
3- they all beleive yin is god

just my $0.02

	15-10-2001 02:20									#43
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civ3 will be great... as soon as MP is included



how's that?

	15-10-2001 03:59									#44
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The glass is either half empty or half full, pick one... and we will know exactly which naysayers are hiding among our midst.

Truly optomistic here, just want a little positivity on these boards, cause, ugh, you get sick of the whining, *****ing, moaning, and general assnine behaviour of some of these twittering "idjits".

Let's have a naysayers flogging party to start after the next negative post.

All floggers sign up here:









Uncle Thade is a mad Monkey

	15-10-2001 04:19									#45
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quote: Truly optomistic here, just want a little positivity on these boards, cause, ugh, you get sick of the whining, *****ing, moaning, and general assnine behaviour of some of these twittering "idjits".

I get sick of all the "civ3 will own all other games!" comments from people with no idea as to what they're talking about. So obviously we dig different things. welcome to the world.

do I want civ3 to be good? yeah. Am I buying it? probably. All I know is, I spent $65 on a game that had hype as its only feature just last january. And looking over the fan forums in the weeks before release, any negative comments resulted in massive flaming...pretty much everyone was sold on it purely based on media leaks and whatnot.

civ3 looks great so far, but be an open optimist, not a blind one. and certainly don't attack those with varying viewpoints.

	15-10-2001 04:22									#46
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that's not to say civ will be a poor game...actually it looks rock hard awesome from the site and previews. but be more open to other opinions.

	15-10-2001 05:45									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Uncle Thade Truly optomistic here, just want a little positivity on these boards, cause, ugh, you get sick of the whining, *****ing, moaning, and general assnine behaviour of some of these twittering "idjits".

Here you go.
Logical Positivism

	15-10-2001 05:51									#48
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Hey Wiglaf never said "civ 3 will own all games", just poking some fun at the naysayers and logically one would have to have a little optimism mixed with a little healthy skepticism. It is the b**ching, moaning, and whining that takes the fun away from these forums. Read my post again.

I have my doubts also.

Serenity now!!!!




Uncle Thade is still a kick ass Mad Monkey!!!!

	16-10-2001 03:59									#49
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Optimistic bump.

	16-10-2001 12:43									#50
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Optimisim for the masses...

...okay, a little skepticism too.

I shall rule the human infested world of CIV# with my mass of Simian Warriors.

DAMN!!! Still the wrong game.

Hey Sid howzabout, Planet of the Apes: Civilizations?

Orangs, Gorills, Chimps, Spiders, Howls and so on and so forth versus the piddling little humans?


Just Confounded,

Uncle Thade



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