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mtgillespie
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Manchester, England
Oct 2001
time: 05:15
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I think Firaxis have to take some responsibility for the annoyance of UK (potential) buyers. Why announce a simultaneous US/UK release if it was something they had no control over? I'm impatient for the game, and that impatience comes from the fact that we've been told for weeks (and even the latest update says this) that we would have it on the 30th with the US. If they had said mid november from the start, that's when i would have expected it.
As for Warez, i may do that to play it early, but i'll still buy the game once it's out over here, unless it's REALLY terrible (which would amaze me). Had Firaxis released a Demo, i'd have got that instead.
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:15
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Originally posted by Sn00py
Boris, I understood that, but Firaxis could lose a lot of money over this tiny action.
Look at it from this point of view:
If the rest of the world got Civ3 16 days before America, do you think most of American's Civilization Players, are going to wait for it? I don't think so, I think they'll be tempted to get a burnt copy or download it. |
Yes, because the vast majority of people who buy computer games don't do it the day it comes out. I would personally wait 16 days or 30 days if I had to before stealing something. I am not a thief. I have no sympathy for the "I'll-burn-it-then-buy-it" crowd, either. If I shoplift from a store, they won't care if I insist I was eventually going to pay for it.
What's so hard to understand about theft being wrong? To quote the film Zoolander, I feel like I've been taking crazy pills!
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mtgillespie
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Manchester, England
Oct 2001
time: 05:15
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Boris :
A couple of points. I think your "1%" of people who would buy after downloading is an extremely low estimate. In surveys of napster users, it was found that people who downloaded music they thought they would like were far more likely to go out and buy the artists album than non users. And i know surveys can be made to say anything, i merely use that example to suggest your figure is out.
i can't speak for anyone else out there, but i'm sure i will buy the game when it's out over here. Because of that, i consider that all i'm doing is obtaining the game from an alternative source. I was told i could have it on a certain date, for whatever reason i have been let down. If there was a demo version i would get that instead. I don't want to ship it from the states in case there is a problem, as it would take weeks to sort out returns etc.
As for the company "forcing you to steal it" (your quotes), i haven't seen anyone saying they were forced. everyone makes their own decisions. However, it is very bad public relations to give a release date when you have no control over it. I still don't understand why they announced the UK date, when they avoided giving details for any other country.
Having said all that, for people who intend to download the game as a way of not having to pay for it, your comments are perfectly valid.
BTW, who's inspector Javert
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:15
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quote:
Originally posted by mtgillespie
BTW, who's inspector Javert |
Inspector Javert is the primary antagonist in Les Miserables, the greatest French novel ever (IMHO)! Javert is police officer who relentlessly hounds the hero, Jean Valjean, over 17 years. Valjean spends 19 years in prison for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his sister's starving son (under early 19th century French criminal justice, this was entirely plausible). After he is released, Valjean breaks parole and tries to start a new life under a new identity. But Javert is constantly on his trail, as Javert believes in an ultra-strict code of law and order, and anyone who violates the law to any degree is unredeemable. In the end (not to ruin the story), Valjean saves Javert's life during a student revolt in Paris. Javert then lets Valjean go free, and since he can't reconcile his black-and-white sense of duty with his sense of compassion for the man who saved him, Javert goes and chucks himself off a bridge into the Seine River.
But I digress...
I don't know about the statistics, but I'm confident most people who pirate software/music/movies/etc. never end up paying for them.
You may intend to pay for it, but I bet you are the exception rather than the rule. And it is those non-exceptions that are costing consumers more $$. But is stealing then paying still stealing? Yes. And when these theives who have pirated the game see you downloading it, they aren't thinking that you will pay for it. They merely see a demand for their stolen product, so they are encouraged to keep stealing.
The "forcing to steal" was a reaction to arguments that the disparity in release dates somehow justified piracy. It doesn't. So what if Firaxis made a mistake about the release date? Does that give someone the right to steal? Not at all.
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Khab
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Örebro, Sweden
Nov 2000
time: 06:15
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Boris,
I'm right now being torn between waiting for it to buy it, or trying to find it warez'd on the 30th - I'd love to play it ASAP - this is the game I've been waiting for for five years. On the other hand, I'd lose a lot of that 'magic' feeling when you open the box, get the manual and disc out, and smell the "new game smell" (to use one of Rich LaPorte's favourite expressions).
Realize this - barring finding the game being totally unplayable upon warezdownload, I'll buy it. If for nothing else so that I push some dough towards CivIV  . Now, Maybe I should be patient. On the other hand, when I don't HAVE to be patient, it's a hell of a lot harder to be so.
You have the luxury of living in the US, getting it on the 30th (one of the few pros of living there . This makes all your calling anyone who wants CivIII at the same time as you a thief a bit hollow, IMHO.
It's not easy, basically being told you're not worth enough to make an effort for - not as much as some others, at least. And I don't even want to think about the UK players, which literally have been lied to, it seems ('course we all have been, considering MP, but hey...).
Anyway, the jury in my head is still out on this one. And it's not an easy call.
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25-10-2001 00:15
Why??????? 
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