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ProfessorPhobos
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>>>They negated the successfull themes of the first two. >>>>>
He's right, y'know. Civilization 3 is about mutant gophers. Everything about that whole "build a civilization- expand, conquer, trade...." all that was false advertising. It's about randy, mutant gophers.
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What most people don't realize is that the Civ community has long since past it's computer game roots- it's now a mystery cult, located in southwestern Oregon. Only a handful learned the true mystic secrets behind the old Civ2 combat system. Ergo, Civ3 is more like a bastardized edition of Holye's Book of Games than anything actually containing true Hexes. It's a bit like the paperback edition of the Necronomincon.
(Of course, I was expecting someone to say "who know number 2 inside out" indicated how well you seem to produce bullshit, but hey, I don't want a Flame War.)
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Right. Because success is bad. Age of Empires was for idiots- it never actually produced an enjoyable gaming experience. It's just that the CD case was laced with a powerful dosage of LSD. The masses know nothing- only the handful of secret Civ2 multiplayer experts know how the best game in the world should be. (Which would likely only appeal to a handful of Civ2 multiplayer fanatics...oddly enough....) The masses don't know what is fun. Only you know what is fun.*
Your posts boil down to a lot of vague griping about "stuff" that you can't really seem to explain- because, of course, no one here would approach your level of Civenlightenment. Oh, the angst, the angst, the angst.
*This is, to some extent, true. You know what's fun for YOU. I only take issue when you say that your opinion is somehow "better" than mine, and that everyone else is "morons" for not understanding why Civ3 is so bad.
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Zylka
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No, that side of my argument I rather call trolling. Congrats for taking the bait.
All aside, I don't like the game. You do like the game. I voice my complaints, which however "vague" are still a lot more specific than "I LIKE IT CUS IT'S KOOL AND THEY OBVUROSLY POORED THAR HARTS INTO IT I LIKE DEM 3-D GRAPHICS AND SUCH."
Please. Your arguments for why it's good (it's good cuz I like it) are no better. I have compared, contrasted and criticized, you sit, stare, and disagree.
Game over. I win. This game sucks.
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albiedamned
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Ellicott City, MD
Sep 2001
time: 00:15
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Zylka's diatribe which started this thread was so full of unsubstantiated claims that it reminded me of statements from the Taliban. Quite a few of his claims have already been thrown out (no zoom, can't minimize).
Here's another one we can throw out. Although I was never officially inducted into the Civ2 veteran club by Zylka, I consider myself a Civ2 veteran (as well as Civ1, Colonization, and SMAC). I started playing Civ my freshman year of college, in 1991. At any given time over the past 10 years I've almost always had either a game of Civ, Col, Civ2, or SMAC going. And I win regularly on the hardest difficult levels.
And I love Civ3. So Zylka's assertion that the true veterans will recognize the problems with the game is false.
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Zylka
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...and to prove I am specifying complaints, I'll have a point form list for you after I get back from the dentist. Perhaps you'd like to do the same for the pros?
Thought so.
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albiedamned
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Ellicott City, MD
Sep 2001
time: 00:15
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By the way, if you want specific reasons as to why I like it, check out the I Love Civ3 thread I started.
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ProfessorPhobos
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I don't care why you don't like it. You don't care why I like it.
The only thing that got caught in my craw was your implication that anyone who didn't share your opinion was a moron, which, I'm afraid, negates anything worthwhile you could possibly say. It's a derivative of Godwin's Law.
(On a related note: I tried quoting what he said, but it only gives me the <<<>>> in my post. What happened to what he said?)
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Döbeln_2001
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>>At a time, civ2 (or civ 1.1) was widely regarded as the greatest computer game of all time. This will in no way be treated the same, and I know why...<<
Let's be honest here - Civ 2 wasn't *that* good. Great, for certain, but it had far more serious problems than Civ 3 seems to have. (From the hours I've played so far...) Civ 3 is definately a step forward for the Civ series...
Regards / Döbeln 2001
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Zylka
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P.S.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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Ming
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Well Zylka... In some ways, you are right. It doesn't feel like the civ we are used to playing. But then again, I'm not comfortable with the game yet. This will take time. I keep finding myself hitting a key, and nothing happens... or worse, something different happens
Also, the game seems to develop slower... and there are many dull periods early in the game.
But, you also have to remember that we played CivII a million times over the years. Most things were automatic, we didn't really have to think, we just knew. It allowed us to concetrate on the game, and not "how the heck do I do this" or "what the heck is that". We had strategies that worked... granted there were many to choose from, but we knew the implications of each, and how to execute them. Time wasn't wasted on "what do I do next"
I really don't like the game yet... but I expected that it would take me time to get to the stage we had attained at CivII. I'm still optimistic that I will get there, and that I will enjoy the game.
I'm not as optimistic about MP yet. The more I play, the more I realize that this may be the best Civ SP game ever. But, most of the things that will probably make it the best SP game aren't good for MP.
Only time and experience will tell the tale...
But, there are enough new features to bring back the awe of discovery... something we haven't had with Civ II in a long time... with the exception of a few new tricks we kept figuring out.
Zylka... give it a chance.
Keep on Civin'
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Jason
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Halifax, NS, Canada
Aug 1999
time: 05:15
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quote:
You're from the maritimes, and therefore have no relevance in this conversation (I am surprised that you're on a computer though, government cheques?). Go drink some draft, or pick a fight, or stand in the social services line for a while. |
LOL, I honestly assumed you were at least of high school age or something. Here's the Reform Party's demographic right in a nutshell. Very nuanced view of the world. Actually, my P3 with DSL is bought and paid for by me, working at my **** job, because academic scholarships helped me pay for my honours degree in history.
I'm assuming the ad hominem attack was your admission that you didn't have any (intelligent) response to what I was saying? Or shall we have a lovely "my town is better than your town" debate followed by nap time and milk and cookies?
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