01-12-2001 06:27									#61
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Southerners won't like it, but Lincoln is the obvious choice for ruler. Washington is first and foremost a military leader, so that should be his rightful place in the game, along with TR, Grant, Eisenhower, Jackson.

A case could be made for FDR as the ruler by those of the liberal persuasion.

	01-12-2001 10:04									#62
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quote: Fondly do we hope -- fervently do we pray -- that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet if God wills that it continue, until all the wealth piled up by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn from the lash, shall be paid by another drawn from the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so it must be said 'the judgements of the Lord, are true and righteous altogether.'

	03-12-2001 08:23									#63
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It was Lincoln, or at least, the Civil War, that transformed the United STATES into the UNITED States -- and for the purposes of Civilization, that does it for me