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Knew that about the consuls, but I found the 3-year period on average very short.
Taking the following up thing to today: Absolute reigners today still have trouble with their following-up, don't think Rome was so special in that. I wonder what will happen when Saddam will die.
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Oligarf
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Rome:
Hoping that he will survive, maybe?
And nice work, good list lorddread
Iraq:
And Europe doesn't want to take action in Iraq, so I must see it happen first before I believe it.
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Indianapolis, the Speed Capital of the World
Feb 2002
time: 23:17
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Originally posted by Fresno
Iraq: I'm afraid an American invasion there would only worsen the situation in the Middle East, and it would be a disaster for the Kurdish in North Iraq. But I have to admit Saddam might be dangerous, so I don't know the answer. When operation Desert Fox started I also wasn't sure wether to support it or not. I find it hard to decide what to think of those actions, the same goes for the bombing of Yugoslavia and more recently Afghanistan. In all these situations reports about bombed hospitals and refugees worried me, though. |
Let me pose some friendly questions. Before I do, a word of caution to those to get upset with these questions, "Please don't get us smacked by the forum people again."
Questions:
1. How would an invasion of Iraq worsen the plight of the Kurds? Saddam has already used Mustard, VS (worst chemical munition there is) and Sarin on them a total of 17 times, killing approx 19000 and crippling upwards of 24000.
2. What hospital has the US bombed? Is it propaganda you have heard or has the Red Cross actually pointed out a hospital? There was a firefight within a hospital in Afghanstan. That was started by 4 Taliban who snuck hand grenades in. Could this be what you are refering to?
3. Why do so many people hear a report of thousands dead and instantly believe it? It was reported in Afghanastan, Yugoslavia, and Jenin (refugee camp), but everytime Amnesty goes there and investigates, they find no slaughter. Yet people still believe the lies. Why?
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Oligarf
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Possible the truth is somewhere in between, and probably there where it belongs. Because when bullets fly around someone will get hurt, good or wrong.
And about the Kurdish, can't imagine they don't want to kick Saddam's out of his palace and do something to him which I'd better not say here.
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Oligarf
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Kurdish: One thing is for sure, this situation ain't good for them.
And where people are, mistakes are made.
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Oligarf
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Not me... Anyone???
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Oligarf
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And about those Arabs and Turks, hard to believe but if true, a good prospect.
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lorddread
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Indianapolis, the Speed Capital of the World
Feb 2002
time: 23:17
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Originally posted by Fresno
About the Kurds; what I meant is that when a war breaks out the first what Saddam will do is conquering the autonomous Kurdish zone in northern Iraq. And because of all his crimes against this people I'm affraid it would only harm the Kurds, not help them.
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Saddam cannot invade the kurds. The terrain is terrible. Tanks and APC's cannot use the roads (mined by the Kurds). The terrain is a defenders paradise. Think of the mountains in northern and eastern Afghanastan. This is the reason he resorted to nerve gas and mustard gas to put down the last rebellion.
Plus the Kurds are under US and British air cover. (Combat Air Patrol (CAP)) Saddam's airforce tried once to counter that and now have over 250 fewer planes. (Not counting the ones that flew to Iran).
Helicopters are the best tool for the terrain but cannot be used because of the CAP.
Same for the Shiite muslims in the south near Kuwait. (Southern no fly zone). No what terrifies the US and all its neighbors is Saddam knowing that the end is near, and all that waits for him is death, will lash out with his remaining weapons of mass destruction. This could include setting off a nuke in Bahgdad. A kind of if I can't keep my country, neither can you.
Most of the equipment he bought from Europe and Asia to build a nuke has never been found. Various intelligence agencies believe that if Saddam has built a nuke (and it is not hard once you have the U238 or P235) he does not have the equipment to miniturize it enough to put on a missile (this is the hard part) and therefore it is too large to move except on a truck. This large and probably dirty weapon could not be used as a tactical weapon but it could be used as a weapon of last result.
Even if Saddam doesn't have a nuke, he has several thousand tons (yes thousands) of VX, Mustard gases as well as hundreds of tons of antharax, botulism, and probably small pox.
A senario would be him tipping a scud with small pox or VX, and shooting it into Israeli airspace. It would be shot down, but the war head would break apart on impact scattering its dealy cargo.
Small Pox is the deadliest of all the above agents. As the US saw, anthrax can be treated by antibiotics. A nuke can be survived. Botulism can be treated, so can mustard gas (although you lead a tortured life afterwards.) In 1999 the US government launched a test (Dark Winter) where they "inflicted" 3 people (1 person in three different states) with small pox, in order to test the readiness of the US to battle a biological attack. 13 days later they had to cancel the test because it had spun out of control. The final tally was infection in 25 states and 15 countries. They refused to release the number of "deaths" but it estimated to be in the millions. This is the reason Saddam is still alive.
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Oligarf
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More good news lorddread?
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Oligarf
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I will look that up for you, if I can find it though. I will need a dictionary to make it sound somewhat correct.
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