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Estilpón is offline Estilpón
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no, no te has perdido. Estos cantabrus son gente lista. Otros ejemplos: Ivan Helguera, Pedro Munitis

mira como echa balones fuera, desviando la conversación...

Fiera is offline Fiera
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Y sobre todo, tengo claro que se me está adelantando todo cristo.


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Fiera, me lo baje aquel dia que a las 3 o las 4 de la mañana me empezaste a hablar por el AIM y no te respondi, de verdad creias que iva a estar despierto a esas horas intespectivas de la madrugada pero si me acuesto tos los dias a las 22h


Sí, pero ves como no iba mal encaminado? Que te dije yo? Que estudiases... y tú bajándote el ToT...

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Sí, pero ves como no iba mal encaminado? Que te dije yo? Que estudiases... y tú bajándote el ToT...




Pues ya lo he probao, no mucho pero algo si, hombre los graficos estan graciosos, eso de que tengna movimiento es curioso es mas me hace pensar que coño de novedad tiene el civ3, sobre el interface me ha mareao un poco eso de que lo de las ciudades el mapa y todo eso este arriba, la verdad es que tampcoo he jugao mucho mas.

Waku is offline Waku
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¿Por cierto, Waku lo tiene ya?

hmmm nope

ya caerá, ya caerá

Dr. Nick is offline Dr. Nick
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Oct 2000
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The backward colonies were never able to buy ToT...

Dr. Nick is offline Dr. Nick
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Sí, pero ves como no iba mal encaminado? Que te dije yo? Que estudiases... y tú bajándote el ToT...


juajuaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

yaroslav is offline yaroslav
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Jun 2001
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Jeje

En cuanto acabemos los examenes debemos formar la 'Sociedad Hispana para el fomento de los juegos de estrategia' con el AIM como pieza clave

Yo tengo la intuíción de que "alguien" llevará Europa Universalis.

Aparte, tengo una cierta habilidad con determinado tipo de búsquedas por Internet

Fiera is offline Fiera
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"Alguien" para llevar EU hay, en efecto. Pero ocupaba una barbaridad, preparaos para un parto largo y penoso.

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Yo también lo tengo, y no ocupa tanto; bien comprimido, unos 36 Mbytes, de modo que no sería tanto problema como el cossacks (186 Mb).

Podríamos establecer un protocolo: dividir los programas en "paquetes" de unos 3 Mb cada uno e ir distribuyéndolos. De esta manera, los que ya tengan una parte podrían ir pasándoselos los unos a los otros y sería más rápido.

Ej) Los dos que tienen el ToT lo dividen en paquetes de 2.88 Mb (no se el winzip, pero el winace da ese tamaño por defecto). Y cada uno envía la mitad de esos paquetes a un tercero. Cuando el tercero los tiene, los tres empiezan a enviar (cada uno un tercio) al cuarto. Y así sucesivamente, la cosa irá cada vez más rápido.

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Yo también lo tengo, y no ocupa tanto; bien comprimido, unos 36 Mbytes


Corrección: El WinAce, con compresión normal, lo deja en unos 26 Mb, esto es, 10 archivos de 2,88 Mb (el último un poco más chico).

techumseh is offline techumseh
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Well, I don't understand the majority of this discussion, but I can get the drift. All I can say is that I'm surprised that people who make and play scenarios do not appreciate that ToT was made primarily with the scenario designer in mind. Its advantages in this regard so far outweigh its disadvantages that there is no comparison. I invite any critics who wish to debate the merits of ToT in English to state their case over at Scenario League (or here for that matter). Let's go!

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Oh no, Tech, we aren't arguing against the merits of ToT. We are just complaining that ToT was never released in Spain and Latin America

Regardless of design advantages or disadvantages, the naked truth is that the vast majority of the Civ2 designers/players turned their backs on ToT. The question therefore is not whether ToT is more advantageous than FW or MGE. The question is, why people ignored ToT? I know the answer, you know the answer, William knows the answer... this has been debated a lot in the past

kIndal is offline kIndal
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why people ignored ToT? I know the answer, you know the answer, William knows the answer... this has been debated a lot in the past


pos yo no se why people ingnore el TOT?

I have palyed TOT almost anything so I cannot said anything bad about it

Kramsib is offline Kramsib
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Si si , Sociedad Hispana... Remove this text

'Sociedad Hispana para el fomento de los juegos de estrategia'

Actividades principales:

pira---güismo.
fuegos pira---técnicos

Instalaciones:

pira---mides

Mascotas:

pira---ñas

jasev is offline jasev
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Oye, podríamos pedir una subvención al ministerio de cultura

Shaka Naldur is offline Shaka Naldur
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Oh no, Tech, we aren't arguing against the merits of ToT. We are just complaining that ToT was never released in Spain and Latin America

Regardless of design advantages or disadvantages, the naked truth is that the vast majority of the Civ2 designers/players turned their backs on ToT. The question therefore is not whether ToT is more advantageous than FW or MGE. The question is, why people ignored ToT? I know the answer, you know the answer, William knows the answer... this has been debated a lot in the past


why??

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I hadn't realized it was never released in Spanish. That's too bad. But for those who do have have it, I'm just about to finish a play test version of "Red October" a ToT scenario of the Russian Civil War.

I'm looking for a few serious playtesters who will be able to gve it a run through and provide feedback over the next 2 weeks or so. If you're interested, please send me an email. Thanks.

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Estilpón is offline Estilpón
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Oye, podríamos pedir una subvención al ministerio de cultura

y de la BSA (business software alliance...)

Kramsib is offline Kramsib
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Pues es bastante novedoso el cambio de look que pega el Civ 2, cuando se trata de ToT.

Curioso es también la desproporción entre unidades, esos guerreros tan fornidos y esos jinetes tan lánguidos...

Otra cosa es la visibilidad, son unos gráficos muy oscuros aunque en Eltaranna tenéis unas modificaciones para aclarar las pantallas, y luego el color del escudo de las unidades es más pequeño que en Civ 2 original y despista un poco (no veáis el susto que me han dado un par de barberos).

Al que inició la cadena ¿No sería mejor pasarlo en su forma primigenia desde el CD en vez de instalado ya del disco duro?, digo esto porque de este modo está más comprimido ocupa menos y el que lo recibe lo recibe para instalar y así la actualización a v. 1.1. no da problemas. Aparte de que no he conseguido encontrar el parche no-cd para ToT en Eltaranna y si es el no-cd del MGE este no funciona.

Por último aún no he llegado pero parece interesante ese concepto de civilizaciones alienígenas.

ToT es algo así como una mezcla entre CIV II, CIV III y SMAC. Aunque esto es incorrecto, es Civ III el que tiene algo de ToT y no ToT el que tiene algo de Civ III, pero me entenderéis igualmente.

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Kramsib tiene bastante razón, en el ToT se apuntan bastantes cambios que aparecen después con el civ3.

En líneas generales, me parece un buen lavado de cara del civ2 original, aunque la estética (los terrenos, fundamentalmente) no me acaba de convencer... es, como diría el dioni, "oscuro". Aunque con un buen modpack ese problema sin duda desaparecería...

No he conseguido que ningún parche no-cd-check me funcione, así que estoy tirando con un backup de mi CD original de Civ2 (y es que el original hay que guardarlo como el tesoro que es ).

Por cierto, no consigo ver las películas de las maravillas (aunque curiosamente sí escucho el sonido) ¿Alguien tiene el mismo problema?

Cuando tenga algo más de tiempo lo probaré más a fondo, a priori me gusta bastante.

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Dios, que he hecho? He destapado la Caja de Pandora!

Kramsib is offline Kramsib
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Otra cosa que no convence es lo difícil que resulta distinguir que unidad es, varias veces he tenido que poner el "visor" encima de una casilla para ver que unidad era la que había ahí, si una falange o una legión o un arquero.

Brumm, borrrroommmmm, brrrrmmmhhh.

(Eh Jay, ¿ya oyes los truenos?)

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Kramsib, esa es exactamente al mayor pega que tiene ToT, que las unidades no se distinguen bien. Dicen que cuando has jugado unas 345 veces te acostumbras y ya no hay problema, pero yo no tuve tanta paciencia

Sobre la otra mano,no consigo instalar el patch 1.1. El ordenador se descontrola y me saca la infamous box esa the error GetEd no se que mas Pues se queda sin patch, que cojons!

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I hadn't realized it was never released in Spanish. That's too bad. But for those who do have have it, I'm just about to finish a play test version of "Red October" a ToT scenario of the Russian Civil War.

I'm looking for a few serious playtesters who will be able to gve it a run through and provide feedback over the next 2 weeks or so. If you're interested, please send me an email. Thanks.


It wasn't released in central and southern Italy, too . I discovered this today.... cavolo...

 
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