01-03-2002 01:46									#61
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quote: Originally posted by dattler a alliance of 4 players needs too much conversation for my taste, in the other case it would be ineffective. a normal diplomatic game with alliances up to game status is more a challange for me. i suggest a modification in sience progress: 10 turns after a nation steps into a new age (this occasion can also be defined by us) all nations share their knowlege by rule. this would give an alternation in strategic play and maybe more leaned onto reality.

The problem with sharing the knowledge Dattler is that there are many Strategies in CTP, Production, Military, and Economic/Science ..... To force the Science players to share their knowledge will disadvantage them enormously, as Scientific Development is at the Expense of other aspects of the Civillisation, so the game would become unbalanced.

	01-03-2002 03:04									#62
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is there cold sweat breaking out?

every nation enjoys the benefits of their science directly by buildings and units they can build. there would be only a few points to bring all nations to the same technological standard, which doesnt mean they will be as developed as originally discoverers. e.g it doesnt make sense to build tanks without having factories...

not without reason this times are called ages. some technological advances have great influences on the whole world(railroad, computers...). they always were copied, never self newinvented.

i wouldnt divide players in "scientific" or "militaristic"...
this knowledge sharing would need another strategy for all because science is a part of every strategy. if anyone feels going fast towards another age he can lower the sciece rate and use extra money for rush buy or fastly step into the new age and get a lead over the others.
but maybe you are right, this will lead to a game wiht lower scientific progress and therefor to more production based game. i see some huge battles upcoming

its just an discussable idea.

	01-03-2002 03:26									#63
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Dattler, I don't know how it will work.... I build my Strategy on reaching a particular point, then going 100% military, researching Commie as I build Muskets Sols and Cannons, then eradicate my opponents with sheer weight of numbers, That is how I Play the Internet game, but Diplomacy often Dilutes that in PBEM, you are suggesting something I can't quite Fathom as regards its impact on the game.... berXpert will be way ahead of us all in Science, yet he starts with lower Prod.. or he used to - now he beats me in both ... Someone like me would try to use SOLS in Massive numbers to his Battleships, capture cities and trade centres and steal science advances from him.... You are suggesting that I am granted the advances, so ber would be better off killing Science and playing a different game... I don't know, I think it would be too much for one game, I guess me and Ber would be in Rennaisance in 10 turns or so anyway, so we would be dragging everyone into Rennaisance when they still want to be building Granaries..

I think I prefer the team play idea.... BUT when you see the Powergraphs in games there is always one or two players that are massively behind, and it would be no fun for them, or there partners... I would like to see some more ideas first

	01-03-2002 13:32									#64
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Dattler's proposal would nullify many strategies. There would be no reason to boost science but only to get few important technologies faster. Some cooperations would fail. Briberies with techs. The use of spies to steal techs and the advantage to some players with powerfull technology to have modern weapons while others would have older ones to enforce their will supreme army.

Besides most technologies might have been copied in the real world but only between few. How many countries have the knowledge and the ability to construct ICBMs? Sattelites? Space Rockets? Supercomputers? Microsurgery? Clonning technology? etc.

	02-03-2002 05:11									#65
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Sharing technology? Isn't that what team/tribes games are for?

	02-03-2002 22:41									#66
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Turn 9 > Gavrushka.

So, what kind of game will it be?

	06-03-2002 20:18									#67
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I guess since we can't agree on specific rules it will be a standard one and what ever follows...

Turn 10 to Kraji.

	07-03-2002 04:10									#68
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Turn 10 > Gavrushka

Standard game again?

	07-03-2002 05:11									#69
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Turn to Ber and Zobo..... we can make up the rules as we go along??

	07-03-2002 14:40									#70
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The game is still young, choose a specific rule if you will.
No problem for me.

	07-03-2002 17:49									#71
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quote: Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior The game is still young, choose a specific rule if you will. No problem for me.

I would like to do something different other than build up Civ,and then go to War... There are six players, what about we form alliances.... But as me and Ber have already met and are cooperating.... perhaps we have peace to turn 80?? Let everyone meet and start cooperating as they will?? How about whenever one nation meets another for the first time they MUST exchange maps??

	07-03-2002 18:57									#72
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Exchanging maps with a civ you first met is very common Garry. It will not make any difference. Peace until turn 80 can be a negative thing too. If someone manages to do an early squize to another player then he will get benefit by that rule. However not conducting major wars meaning completely bring down your opponent would be a good rule.

Wasn't that my rejected initial proposal with the expeption of the turn number?

	07-03-2002 19:19									#73
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What king of game do you want ?

General Mood
A) Diplomatic
B) Global War

What kind of alliance do you want ?
A) Team and permanent Alliance
B) Changing but fixed by rules alliance
C) no rules for Alliance.

(Example for B: Each 9 turns the first ranked is allied with the last ranked. The 2nd is allied with the 5th. the 3th is allied with the 4th - just an example)

Rules on Tech exchange :
A) Each new age, people exhange ALL techs.
B) The most advanced could not have an advance of more than X techs.
C) No rules


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	07-03-2002 19:35									#74
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Killer game!!!
No kills allowed before turn 99.
BerXpert and Gavrushka are linked as Hunter - Victim.

	07-03-2002 19:51									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Kralj Matjaz Killer game!!! No kills allowed before turn 99. BerXpert and Gavrushka are linked as Hunter - Victim.

Oh yes I like it! Me and Ber have been shooting our mouths off, so lets us put some substance behind it, we kill you by capturing all 4 capitals, (no Capital moves allowed) you kill us by taking us out totally? No pirating, no Spy rebelling cities - Military muscle takes the win yes??

	07-03-2002 19:56									#76
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sounds good to me...

	07-03-2002 19:57									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka Oh yes I like it! Me and Ber have been shooting our mouths off, so lets us put some substance behind it, we kill you by capturing all 4 capitals, (no Capital moves allowed) you kill us by taking us out totally? No pirating, no Spy rebelling cities - Military muscle takes the win yes??

How hard can it be in Genetic age to mass army through space and capture in one turn all four capitals?

Or if you manage to get nukes before the rest get Space Flight and build SDI to nuke those cities and drop paratroopers?


I found it.

Hostilities start at turn 69

	07-03-2002 20:11									#78
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You are right Keygen..... total annihilation for victory?? I would love the challenge of taking on 4 players, I personally enjoy games (as you stated Keygen) when the odds are stacked against you... Yup I have been out in the sun to much

	07-03-2002 20:27									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka You are right Keygen..... total annihilation for victory?? I would love the challenge of taking on 4 players, I personally enjoy games (as you stated Keygen) when the odds are stacked against you... Yup I have been out in the sun to much

I think with or without rules we are heading in that way
The only difference is that it will 3 vs 2 and 1 hunging around if you know what I mean

	08-03-2002 02:49									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka I would like to do something different other than build up Civ,and then go to War... There are six players, what about we form alliances.... But as me and Ber have already met and are cooperating.... perhaps we have peace to turn 80?? Let everyone meet and start cooperating as they will?? How about whenever one nation meets another for the first time they MUST exchange maps??

why do you (Gav and Ber) cooperate in this way ( ...reneisance soon....) if you get bored by your superiority?

	08-03-2002 03:40									#81
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quote: Originally posted by dattler why do you (Gav and Ber) cooperate in this way ( ...reneisance soon....) if you get bored by your superiority?

Ber and me always fight, that is in Internet play, and as regards our superiority, that only exists on Internet play, for some strange reason in PBEM play is different, it seems to be a great leveller of ability.

Dattler, you seem a little irate at my suggestions.... CTP is a game of Diplomacy, and Bluff, try playing Blackice online, his comments are enough to make you feel you want to surrender before first city settled... Because of your directness, I feel obliged to point out that I am attempting to goad you, and the other players, and I would be amused as everyone else when the rest of you come marching over my civ, and crushing it into oblivion.... Now where was I.....

Dattler I shall make it the one goal of the great Engish war machine to crush your pitiful effort of a civilisation into the dust, I shall use your fragile bones as tooth picks and your skulls as Ashtrays.....

Now can we drop back into roleplay and stop rebuffing the Bravado of other civs, and respond with even greater steaming piles of B.S. instead...

	08-03-2002 04:18									#82
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Turn 11 > Gavrushka

	08-03-2002 06:20									#83
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Turn 12 to Ber and Zobo

	08-03-2002 13:59									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka Now can we drop back into roleplay and stop rebuffing the Bravado of other civs, and respond with even greater steaming piles of B.S. instead...

of course, with pleasure - just thought this was part of the discussion howto find some siutable rules.

	08-03-2002 21:17									#85
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quote: Originally posted by dattler of course, with pleasure - just thought this was part of the discussion howto find some siutable rules.

Would you agree to 4 versus 2, me and Ber do need knocking off our pedestals, I know it would be impossible (almost impossible) to defeat 4 players, but I like the idea personally - Total annihilation is the only way either side can claim victory?? I know Darth alone is similar to me in ability, but both me and ber are trading science already so I imagine we do have a SLIGHT edge in that department??

	08-03-2002 22:00									#86
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Jesumi has won "The SkullCrushers" challenge by utterly defeating her target (the Nicaraguans)

We have a winner!!!

	08-03-2002 22:29									#87
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Excellent!! So she will be in the Grand Final... It is just a pity she is not in ANY rated games, for PBEM rankings....

Convince her JPWW...

	08-03-2002 23:27									#88
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Turn 12

I like total anihilation option ...

Hey Gav, what about to declare a winer between us (I know we are going to win) the player who take more cities is declared as The ONE

BTW just to make it more fair (and more interesting to readers) I'll comment my science status and my cites so you can cry since now

I'll get banking in 2 turns with 230 SCI, I have 9 cities and 2 more next turn.

Remember the words of Gav, he is the powerful and I'm the scientist, so check your status and surrender now

	09-03-2002 00:02									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka Would you agree to 4 versus 2, me and Ber do need knocking off our pedestals, I know it would be impossible (almost impossible) to defeat 4 players, but I like the idea personally - Total annihilation is the only way either side can claim victory?? I know Darth alone is similar to me in ability, but both me and ber are trading science already so I imagine we do have a SLIGHT edge in that department??

i donot think this will lead to an interesting game but if you can get some more players fascinated for your idea i will do my best for anhilating you from earths surface.

is your early (gift)alliance an unchangable fact before discovering some more landmarks or meeting some other civs? maybe you are right that we other four HAVE TO cooperate because of your early knowledge-sharing. is this in any case discussable?
i doubt a little if this game-rule-layout is doing a favor for game balance.

	09-03-2002 00:39									#90
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Dattler, it was sheer luck that me and Ber got located next to each other, but we are the scourge of Internet Play, crushing all comers... the only people I have lost to in months is Berxpert and blackice, I have science here of 200, Class Ed in 3 turns, it is interesting for us to work together, But it has got to be a consensus.... I see you are opposed to teaming with the other 3 to take us on, and I appreciate that, so let us hear the alternative.. the other players are JPWW,Keygen and Darth Viper, with you that forms the majority- How about starting a Poll for various styles of game play, and we will, I am sure, honour the majority decision.