04-10-2000 11:37									#61
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I feel much better now!

(I got directly quoted by a Dan! *faints* )

By the way, you guys really know just when to give that bit of information to tease us, dont you?

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	04-10-2000 16:39									#62
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Dan Magaha, I'm not sure it's fair to take a photo adding also the boys who take to your team Pizza and Chinese food, too!

Great info hidden for every player: that photo is in fact the beta version of CIV III city view. Look at the buildings on the background and at the Citizen list with happy, content, unhappy people, and a bunch of specialist too, mostly entertainer!

Look at cloud details too: far more advanced that Black & white or Railroad tycoon 2 graphic engine someone mentioned some time ago.

(just kidding, just kidding )

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	06-10-2000 03:04									#64
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I'm pleased that Firaxis has people paying attention to the community.

Hopefully, Firaxis will go the "It'll take forever, but when it's done it'll kick ace!" Starcraft route.

mmmmm....starcraft.

I hope I haven't just commited heresy.

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	06-10-2000 09:56									#65
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You notice he said NOTHING about the release of the game? And its really hard to set up a web site? What utter cr#p. We've got 12 yr olds here who set up a web site a week. Want us to put you in touch with one of em?

As for the photo - look at those dorks. Standing there, sticking their beer guts out, playing pocket billiards and grinning moronically on their daggy pebble roof. Hardly inspires confidence. If I had asked my friggin wife to design this game BY HERSELF it would have been up by now

If they can't set up a web site without forming a friggin committee and taking it to the Hasbro board, what is the game going to be like? A camel is a horse designed by a committee!!

I am SO ANNOYED about this endless delay. Pull your fingers out!! GRRR!

*horse prays to game God that CTP2 is really good*


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	06-10-2000 18:38									#67
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I agree with AH for the first time ever.

I think some of you guys would parade in the streets if someone at Firaxis picked their nose and posted a message about it.

	06-10-2000 22:29									#69
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I think you people are being a little too harsh on the Firaxis team. It is a completelly different matter designing a comercial site and a home website. Not graphically, of course, but contentwise. They must think about the marketing strategy i.e. what to reveale immediatelly and create a plan for updating the site... Frankly, I think they are probably doing their best.
On the other hand though, I would at least welcome knowing the date when the website will be posted, so that I can wait for it more patiently. Surely releasing that date can hurt nobody, it's not as if we got the game release date.
I think one thing delaying the site is that they want to answer most of our questions on it, but I think it would do for the time being if they just gave us any info, however vague about the game, just give us something.

	07-10-2000 01:22									#70
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Have some of you civ3'ers been contacting Hasbro and complaining about the unresponsiveness of FIRAXIS? This little publicity stunt, and that is all it is, looks like someone at Hasbro got a fire lit under him and decided to visit FIRAXIS to see what was going on(or not going on).

	07-10-2000 07:45									#71
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CTP II? Oh please!! I've never hated a game as much as I've hated the original CTP. Don't even consider wasting your money on CTP II.

	07-10-2000 09:21									#72
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I do agree with you Roman. He said it himself, it's a delicate thing to do. One word out in the site and you could spark something bad.

BTW, Sometimes (very recently) when I go to www.firaxis.com or /civ3/

It doesn't load. I hope they're updating it. If there are screenshots on it, I'm TOO afraid to look at it. I might ruin it all of myself. I'd really hate that.

	07-10-2000 13:09									#73
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I have to dissapoint you, Icedan, the site loads normally for me and it is not updated.

	07-10-2000 13:26									#74
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notice I said 'sometimes'

	13-10-2000 10:02									#75
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I've just checked the Firaxis site (again) and I found the following changes: NOTHING.

I don't think that is THAT hard to build up a site. I think it's something else: they still don't have what to put on the site! They don't have the previews

With such a delay with the site, what can we expect for the game? It seems like we have to wait a long, long time for Civ3.

	15-10-2000 22:54									#76
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OK!
Its now mid- October and nothing seems to have changed. Maybe next decade eh?

	16-10-2000 06:41									#77
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I will wait as long as I have to for Civ III.

Meanwhile, Civ II will do just fine.

How much buying power do Civ'ers represent? It's gotta represent a huge profit potential for Firaxis.

	20-10-2000 04:11									#80
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Crustacian,

Um, ok... just look at the very top of the current Firaxis Cv3 site. When does it say it was last updated? FEBRUARY 10th!!! Doesn't it seem not only possible, but reasonable and likely that in the time between February and now they'd have hired a bunch more people for these important projects?!?

C.

	22-10-2000 02:02									#81
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I hear ya Caesar,
Yes you would think they might have hired a bunch more...you would HOPE they hired a bunch more!!

But if they did and stuff was flying around in a frenzied turmoil of accomplishment...wouldn't you reasonably expect an update on any progress since feb?

Either way I look at it to not be abl to give us a general idea on a release time is hard for me to understand.
Unless it is some sales strategy to try and get us to buy CTP2 while we are in limbo over Civ3's release.

	22-10-2000 02:27									#82
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Patience, conquerers, patience!
Give us a drum-roll,
Give us a picture,
Give us a date?

Haven't i read somewhere in CGW that "QUAKE" was carefully delayed to generate a strangely planned interest in the market?
Haven't i also felt "canned" when MetaTools got under the financial grasp of Corel?

I'll give you a date for Firaxis's preview-site of
>>> CIVILIZATION III <<<

Halloween night 2000! Including pumpkins, masks, candles in the dark, Lara entombed as the guest of honor.

Or even, when it is over and done to the customers satisfaction ONLY... Hasbro's order!

	24-10-2000 01:21									#83
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SSWWEEEETTNNEEESS!!!

	24-10-2000 23:41									#84
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Still nothing...

	29-10-2000 12:20									#85
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I thought this might be interesting - it's from voodoo extreme and in it, the developers of Duke Nukem forever explains why they've released no screenshots/info on the game yet (despite a very long development period).

quote: It's a pretty slow Saturday news-wise so I did a little one handed web browsing through the 3D Realms forums and noticed a thread discussing reasons why 3D Realms has not released any screen shots of Duke Nukem Forever. First up -- Big Daddy George Broussard: >>Is 3DR really doing this whole "when its done" "no screen shots" "no real information" for us the gamers or for the competition. Both. Why give away any edge at all to your competitors? I know when we see something cool in another game, we say "cool, thanks" and move on. No reason to tip your hand.And no reason to spoil the game for fans either. Regardless of competition we will never post info on all the bad guys, locations or guns etc in the game. >>>Now, level designer Charlie Wiederhold who proves George's points: We were able to deduce almost all of No One Lives Forever's gameplay elements from the screenshots they have been releasing. I've been playing through it and am almost done and have yet to be suprised by anything in the game or have seen any gameplay elements I didn't know were coming due to the screenshots they had released. Developers can and DO see things in the screenshots other people release and they DO take inspiration from them if they think they can use it and it will help their game. We have no idea what Valve is doing with Team Fortress 2 anymore because they refuse to release information. If they manage to continue this we will be taken by suprise by things they do in the game and they will have the jump on those things compared to everyone else...

	29-10-2000 14:10									#86
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I agree with their thinking to a certain degree. It's like being told all the good parts of a movie before you go see it. However, I think Civ3 is a little different animal. If there were ever a "people's game," it has to be Civ3. And while it will no doubt ruin some suspense and perhaps raise some false hopes, being more open with the game's design and working to get fan feedback might well make the difference in keeping Civ3 from becoming either an old re-hash or a bizarre re-interpretation.

	01-11-2000 08:16									#88
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Still nothing...

	01-11-2000 09:37									#89
	Put an end to popups!

Everyone should keep going to the firaxis.com/civ3 site all at once so that it looks a DDOS attack is happening - when their servers blow up maybe they'll realised we're not very happy.

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	04-11-2000 07:10									#90
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I think they are realizing the unhappyness, which is why they been so quiet. Hard questions to answer make for a quiet spell.