12-03-2002 11:11									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi You can't expand your territory if you are dead.

3 war front with Turkey plus 20 million insurgent and armed kurds... keep dreaming little SHi

And we'll do it. So no expansion of turkish dicatorship borders or the bunny gets it

	12-03-2002 11:16									#32
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I don't think the US is going to go through with it this time. Call it a hunch.

	12-03-2002 11:20									#33
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse I don't think the US is going to go through with it this time. Call it a hunch.

See I disagree. Bush and Blair have only said they would do somthing 500 times now. If there bluffing and dont intend to carry this out; ugh...embarrsing for US president.

	12-03-2002 11:21									#34
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory *Hey look Mom! Another "Should we bomb Iraq" poll* Why didnt you just bump the other 700 threads made since 9/11?

Not "should you", but "will you". Also, not "bomb", but "invade".

I'll say again: I have a hunch the US is going to back down on this one. They'll send in the cruisies and leave it at that.

	12-03-2002 11:23									#35
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory See I disagree. Bush and Blair have only said they would do somthing 500 times now. If there bluffing and dont intend to carry this out; ugh...embarrsing for US president.

I think Bush really did himself a disservice by whipping up US public opinion about Iraq. He's got really minimal support with his Eurocom allies and less than none from the more important Arabcom allies.

	12-03-2002 11:26									#36
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He can't present the same sort of smoking gun cassus belli he did for Afghanistan, and this is also one hell of a different proposition. The US would walk all over Iraq, but it wouldn't be especially pretty.

	12-03-2002 11:36									#37
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 3 war front with Turkey plus 20 million insurgent and armed kurds... keep dreaming little SHi And we'll do it. So no expansion of turkish dicatorship borders or the bunny gets it

Everyone knows Turks are better fighters then Greeks. If you try anything, the mighty United States of America reduces Greece to rubble and Greeks become next Turkish genocide victim.

	12-03-2002 11:39									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Everyone knows Turks are better fighters then Greeks. If you try anything, the mighty United States of America reduces Greece to rubble and Greeks become next Turkish genocide victim.

BTW good luck fending off terrorists SHi

that's yet another geopolitical checkmate and you're beloved dictatorship Turkey has lost - again. you protectors of demoracy my ass Shi

	12-03-2002 11:41									#39
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse He can't present the same sort of smoking gun cassus belli he did for Afghanistan, and this is also one hell of a different proposition. The US would walk all over Iraq, but it wouldn't be especially pretty.

Well. He know's politically at home. He has strong backing for removing Saddam.....almost 70% approve.And the Senate is pushing for him. And the hawks in his own administration..

He's evaulating these things now. I think Cheney will come from ME and report to Bush. Bush will then make his decision. He ha some factors.


1) Iraqi air defenses are trying there damnest to hit a warplane. Its only a matter of time if we let them sit down there and upgrade

2)The US pilot rumoured to be alive and held captiveor 9 years.

3) Saddam's refusal to allow weapons inspectors

4)Bush has a Window of oppurtunity. For say ; another 6 months. Before the war takes the back burner. He know's he can strike one more arab nation before wrapping the big guns in the WoT. Who is it gonna be? A peon harborer like Somalia? Or a supporter and Philosphical rallying cry in Iraq?

	12-03-2002 11:46									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Everyone knows Turks are better fighters then Greeks.

Who told yout that?

quote: If you try anything, the mighty United States of America reduces Greece to rubble and Greeks become next Turkish genocide victim.

This is the way how the trully "defender of democracy" and "last hope of mankind" must act.
Keep dreaming that you can reduce to rubble every country you don't like. Someday, somebody will teach you a lesson.

	12-03-2002 11:47									#41
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse He can't present the same sort of smoking gun cassus belli he did for Afghanistan, and this is also one hell of a different proposition. The US would walk all over Iraq, but it wouldn't be especially pretty.

Agreed. While I believe that the war will probably be over within a few weeks (I really doubt Saddam's got much support by now), the US is going to completly trash it's international reputation in the process.

	12-03-2002 11:50									#42
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quote: This is way how the trully "defender of democracy" and "last hope of manlind" must act. Keep dreaming that you can reduce to rubble every country you don't like. Someday, somebody will teach you a lesson.

Amen


oh and little Shi...

quote: "From this point on, we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but that heroes fight like the Greeks".

Winston Churchill, 1941

check it out


meanwhile in WW2 your sweet Turkey had burried its head in the sand

	12-03-2002 11:52									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Someday, somebody will teach you a lesson.

Those who tried.....

1)Fascists
2)Communists
3)Terrorists

Those who succeeded to "Teach us a lesson"

'...'

	12-03-2002 11:55									#44
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The problem is that I feel Shrubya&co. incorrectly evaluated the international pol. landscape. Support for an attack inside US and lack of it outside is actually what's putting his ass in a sling right now. His admin. started the saber-rattling within a month or so of Sept. 11 because they smelled the "window of opportunity" you referred to and wanted to use it. The thing is, that window wasn't as big (timewise) as they originally thought, and it wasn't as important an effect as they'd hoped. Now the US pop is screaming for Saddam's head and the US is getting jammed up trying to arrange it with the Saudis et al (and less importantly the EU et al). It has the potential to be a really bad PR situation for the White House if they can't do it.

I'm not saying that Iraq hasn't violated the ceasefire by tossing the weapons inspectors out; I'm saying that the world outside the US doesn't really see this as sufficient cause.

Now the US seems to be backing off slightly on the rhetoric. Cheney's gonna try and pry something from the Arabs, but I doubt he'll get what he wants. The US will be stuck with the choices of trying to invade Iraq with only the barest support from Britain and none from anybody else, or bombing Baghdad for a month or two. They'll choose option 2 and claim victory. Saddam will poke his snout out from the rubble and claim victory. All will be as it was, minus a couple million pounds of HE and 25 000 Iraqis.

	12-03-2002 12:01									#45
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quote: Those who succeeded to "Teach us a lesson"

1) Canada
2) the VC/NVA

	12-03-2002 12:02									#46
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Those who tried..... 1)Fascists 2)Communists 3)Terrorists Those who succeeded to "Teach us a lesson" '...'

Fascists????
I am sure that americans took no lessons after WW2.
How exactly they tried to teach you a lesson?
Communists?
What lessons you took from Cold war?
Terrorists?
What lessons you took from Sept 11?

How anyone could give a lesson to somebody who refuse to learn?

	12-03-2002 12:03									#47
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KH your point is taken. And the International political landsape is indeed against a strike on Iraq. But there is lots of pressure at home for this. You cannot imagine how many hard the media, people like O'Reilly, Matthews, most of the news anchors. All seem to be in favor of removing Iraq. And there opinions DO show through on TV with segment after segment of reasons...


60 senaters have called bush and asked him to attack Baghdad. Ask any person an american Streets what they think of Saddam. They will tell you he needs to be removed ASAP. Becuse what if someday he gave WoD to Terrorists?


I believe in the end we will go in. Be it a small coalition. I dont know. But we will. There is just too much Sabre Rattling go on here.

	12-03-2002 12:05									#48
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Those who succeeded to "Teach us a lesson" '...'

Communists - Vietnam
Terrorists - WTC 9/11

And in the future who knows if you're like Shi...

	12-03-2002 12:06									#49
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I know what's going on inside the US. I do get American TV on half my channels, you know.

Public support inside the US is not enough to take Iraq without causing some really significant problems in the ME. Now Bush is going to have to choose between the polls and a foreign-relations meltdown.

	12-03-2002 12:07									#50
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Hey Paitkis, what happened when you did to try to take over Turkish land. Oh yes, that's right, you got your butt kicked by Kemal Ataturk, the great hero and liberator of the Turks.

	12-03-2002 12:07									#51
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BTW true Axis of Evil: USA - Turkey - Israel.

fascist regimes go together huh Shi?

you're gonna carpet bomb my ass little weazel!

	12-03-2002 12:08									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Serb How anyone could give a lesson to somebody how refuse to learn?

Undermining, Killing, eventually destroying them. And then we win. Pretty simple huh? .


If anybody needs to any lessons on reasons why NOT to attack america the 20th century...and 2001 have been a good example.


Everybody who attack's us or our friends gets it coming. Japanese, OBL, Iraq, etc.....etc...

	12-03-2002 12:10									#53
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And remember that public opinion is a lot more fickle/flighty than most people think. If Bush puts enough spin on it he can get away without looking too bad in the US press.

	12-03-2002 12:10									#54
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We're gonna screw Greece just like she got screwed by Imperial Rome and, later, Turkey. Long and hard, baby! And then we're gonna stay in her home for a few millennia while she behaves like a good house wife by cooking the meals, bearing the squawling half n half brats and cleaning the floors!

Oops. My apologies. Just couldn't resist piling on. **slips on thin veneer of civilization mask** OK. I'm a good American again. The bad American has been stuffed back into his dark corner.

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	12-03-2002 12:12									#55
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Imperial Rome - culturally defeated = Byzantium Greek again.

Ottomans - defeated = condemned to live in poverty, fascism and suffering by their own hand

Italians WW2 - defeated = revenge for Rome

who's next? America? Millenia????? US is dust in 50 years maybe earlier. I mean, Russia, EU, terrorists what more do you want?

Greece is eternal.

ahem

	12-03-2002 12:17									#56
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Paiktis:

Bah! I hear all the *real* Greeks were "half n halfed" centuries ago due to making love to Roman and Turkish occupiers. Hmm ... wait, that's a sneaky way of assimiliating your conquerors, Paiktis! Sneaky, I tell you! I wanna assimiliate a Greek Amazon! Let me conquer Greece!

**LOL**

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	12-03-2002 12:20									#57
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we're sweet assimilators baby

true about Romans (lived quite a few millenia together) false about turks - (christian - muslim weddings were considered a mortal sin).

Come on now Cyber BOMb US! SIGN YOUR DOOM TO COME! it's destiny if you attack Greece.

Oh on the other hand you could just marry an Amazon yes, nice invasion that too

	12-03-2002 12:34									#58
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We have no need to conquer Greece! Why? Because Greece is already our ***** state, who has to do what we tell them. We are the hegemon, you are the Has-been! We don't need to send in our soldiers, they might die of the stink- when we can culturally, economically, and diplomatically dominate you.

	12-03-2002 12:40									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!! We have no need to conquer Greece! Why? Because Greece is already our ***** state, who has to do what we tell them. We are the hegemon, you are the Has-been! We don't need to send in our soldiers, they might die of the stink- when we can culturally, economically, and diplomatically dominate you.

yes and I suppose you think that the EU is also your ***** state too. Keep dreaming punk


meanwhile try to duck when Binnie takes the next shot at you *****

I'll be drinking ouzo at the Acropolis


who's the ****ed up now? huh?

	12-03-2002 12:57									#60
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 true about Romans (lived quite a few millenia together) false about turks - (christian - muslim weddings were considered a mortal sin).

That's too bad about the Christian/Muslim schism in terms of marriage. Who knows what sort of spicy, exotic children humanity missed out on creating during those years.

quote: Come on now Cyber BOMb US! SIGN YOUR DOOM TO COME! it's destiny if you attack Greece.

Now, now, Paiktis. If I were to be charged with the destruction of Greece, I wouldn't even bother with occupation. I'd simple toss a few thousand cruise missiles your way, then send in various aerial forces — from gunships to stealth bombers and such — to finish off what the missiles missed. Then, last but not least, I'd employ the use of a biological weapon that would sterialize the survivors (male and female). Then I'd sit back and wait a generation or two for humanity in that part of the world to fade away and for nature to reassert itself. Then I'd send in the colonists who would be like the Olympian Gods to the few cavemen and women living up in the hills and mountains. A few bolts of "lightning" from our space-based weaponry would be enough to awe your descendants, Paiktis.

quote: Oh on the other hand you could just marry an Amazon yes, nice invasion that too

Growl. I have to admit that my ideal partner would definitely not be a "domesticated" woman. She'd have the spirit of her Amazon ancestors (the ones that impressed Herodutus (sp) so much.

Well, we can dream, right? **LOL**

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