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Andrew Cory
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Jan 2002
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Originally posted by Salvor
Fascistdictator, are you one of the ones who can't figure out why the rest of the world thinks we're arrogant, self-righteous, and narrow-minded?
I know you have every right to be just as arrogant, self-righteous, and narrow-minded as you want, but when you do it so loudly, it causes problems for those of us who like to travel overseas without being ashamed of our countrymen and trying to disguise ourselves as Canadians. |
Ah-HA! I knew that the ugly American thing was a bit overblown. Perhaps if you represented your true country when you traveled abroad, it would change the general perception of Americans...
Of course, (granting that we Americans really _are_ arrogent, a lot of the dislike of America comes from the fact of our power, not what we do with it.
Oh, and Lib, climb down. Cheaters always cheat themselves. The thing is that with computer games, they _only_ cheat themselves, and with other games (eg golf) they cheat themselves + others. Hence, the "only". This is not a devaluation of the self, but actualy stating a difference in kind + a difference of degree. You might have a point if we are discusing whether it is better to cheat yourself _or_ someone else. Might, I say, I won't take a position on that yet...
Not, you understand that FD's comments were at all apropriate.
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Changmai Beagle
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Corporate Warlord of the Great White North & Warmer Climes
Oct 1999
time: 22:17
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Willem - Sorry to disagree with your post. I most whole-heartedly agree than many Americans could do with less arrogance....
However, the same can be said of many of us Canadians. I am often saddened by the arrogant anti-American sloganing we hear. That does not mean you, I think your point is probably from the heart.
My experience is that people in Canada are pretty similar to those in the U.S. - at least those on either side of the border on the prairies. (Except for their strange Mericn accents and pre-Johnstonian spelling habits). Maybe the cities are different, I travel more often overseas than to large U.S. cities.
As always, patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels. Or as I like to put it, use the flag to wrap around garbage long enough and it begins to carry a certain aroma.
Lib - A technical question. Could one argue that arrogance can be exercised without restraint within the Right, since it does not necessarily affect anyone else's interests?
Back on Topic - I am an occasional cheater. IIRC the initial question was to try and understand why someone would cheat. I play by the rules, don't use exploits I consider unfair, but I will definitely save from time to time and sometimes if I have followed a strategy that leads to disaster I will go back to where I think I went wrong and try again. I usually let myself have one 'do-over' and then start a new game. This generally happens when I have a map that I find interesting - and I really hate to trade it in. I will also restart from the beginning on an interesting map, even though this does give me an advantage in knowing layout.
Interesting maps are ones that have strategic interest, such as pinch points, separation by deserts, etc. that let me develop different strategies to try and use the terrain.
That's why I cheat in these situations. It's more interesting than a non-interesting new map (although there is almost always the thrill of exploration in a new map).
Oh - I also abandon games where I am on a small island or start with nothing but desert or mountains and the outcome is essentially forordained.
P.S. I wish we had a bit of impassable (or near impassable) terrain.... and that the panagea map setting worked properly.
Last edited by Changmai Beagle on 15-02-2002 at 08:59
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Andrew Cory
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SF bay Area
Jan 2002
time: 21:17
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Originally posted by Willem
Are you trying to imply here that we Canadians are jerks? |
Oops! I can see how you would infer that from what I wrote. But no, I would not say that Canadians are jerks. I mean, some are, but as a rule, no. I say that as someone who knows quite a few canadians, though obviously not a huge sample of the population...
What I was trying to say was this: (in response to someone who claims to be from Chicago) If you claimed identity as an American, and actualy are polite to those whose civilisations you visit, it would begin to undo some of that "ugly American" image that we get tagged with. By impersonating a Canadian, all you (again, still speaking to the American) do is alow those Americans who are not at all polite to become the only image of Americans that most non-Americans might have...
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Originally posted by Willem
I beg to differ, but up here in Canada we've grown accustomed to the fact that you Yanks like to push your weight around. We've come to expect that from your country in most of our negotiations with you. If you'd like an example, take a look at our current dispute regarding softwood lumber. Even though the WTO agreed with us the last time your people brought up the exact same issues, you insist on battling it out again. Sometimes you just refuse to take no for an answer. |
You can dissagree all you want, but you are ignoring half of my statment:
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Originally posted by Andrew Cory
Of course, (granting that we Americans really _are_ arrogent), a lot of the dislike of America comes from the fact of our power, not what we do with it. |
Did you miss the bit in Parentisis? we "_are_ arrogent". We _do_ throw our weight around. At the same time, there is quite a bit of dislike at the fact of American power, not the use of it. As an Example, many europeans hate the fact that it took American power to make the balkans peacekeeping efforts work.
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Andrew Cory
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SF bay Area
Jan 2002
time: 21:17
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Originally posted by Willem
OK, I missed the implications there, sorry. A little misunderstanding on both sides of the border tonight I guess. Though I'm pleased that you don't think we Canucks are jerks. At least not until the next time we win the World Series. |
Right, and that will be just about... Never again. esp. with half your teams ceasing to exist soon...
BTW: if I had ever seriously said "Canadians are jerks" (as opposed to humorously, which I do all the time  ), a rather strong former PPCLI infantry grunt would try to beat the heck out of me. In fact, if she walks in and sees this post, she might try it anyway...
*grin*
You don't happen to know billy or Sue from Canada, do you? They are very nice people...
Now, as far as cheating goes, I do and here is why:
I am a poli-sci major. I have experience with trying to keep governments functional. Every now and then, I enjoy the hell out of myself by pretending that everything will work out perfectly, with minimal struggle; the bugets will always ballance with no cutbacks, and I _can_ invade anyone who annoys me. For this, I have Civ3...
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jackshot
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Man, this thread went out to left field in a hurry...
Are Americans arrogant, self-rightous, and what was that, oh, narrow-minded? Jesus, the pope isn't that Catholic.
I'm an American, all I can say is it's worse than you think.
On the cheating front, if there still is one - it used to be that a clever boy could think up how to castle in chess or to put money on Free Parking, now we must beg developers for the right to do half as much. Such is life.
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Arrian
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Kneel before Grog!
Jul 2001
time: 00:17
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Back to the original topic, which was cheat codes, I wanted to clarify something:
Dissident originally posted that he didn't understand people searching high and low for cheat codes (like using the Civ II cheat mode to give yourself 100/100/100 tanks or something in 4000BC). I agreed that I don't get it, unless it's for scenario creation, as the cheat mode in CivII was very useful for that.
Not "getting it" doesn't mean I condemn it. Hell, my signature is from a pretty funny Civ I cheat code that I found amusing for about half an hour (half the fun was looking at the AI's cities to see the bizare things they were doing). Nor do I have a problem with anyone reloading or things like that. It's a game, a SP game for the time being. I myself have activated the super-dooper-human-player-only time machine to backtrack when a strategy failed miserably, so I could see if making a different choice was a better option. I haven't done that in a while, but when I was first learning the game, it helped me figure out how to be successful in war. I quickly discovered that I needed more troops than I originally thought, and a number of other things. I considered those chieftain & warlord games my tutorial.
FacistDictactor - Read my post. I copied and pasted that "history lesson" from a web page, and I listed the link. I was going to explain who Arrian was in my own words, but because it was easier, I did a quick web search on him and used what I found there. Further, I don't recall ANY OF US trying to tell you that you can't cheat, or the Secret Civ III Police will come and get you.  Do as you will, I could care less.
-Arrian (who doesn't actually pretend he's Canadian when abroad either, but has at times wished he did).
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Libertarian
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Lib - A technical question. Could one argue that arrogance can be exercised without restraint within the Right, since it does not necessarily affect anyone else's interests? |
I'm sorry. I don't understand the question. What is "the Right"? Do you mean the Christian Coalition or something?
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