11-03-2002 17:59									#31
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Maybe turns have to be sent to the player, his/her official sub and to the moderator ?

	11-03-2002 19:05									#32
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quote: Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior Maybe turns have to be sent to the player, his/her official sub and to the moderator ?

It is not necessary.

However I would like to receive some turns.
It would be interesting and I would advice and role play if needed

So FlameFlash, start sending turns too me as well

	13-03-2002 05:55									#33
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*nods* I'll certainly try and remember to, Keygen... may have to yell at me a few times before I remember though... recently I've only had enough time to read my e-mail, not the forums.

	13-03-2002 10:17									#34
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Keygen - The map description says "random". What do you mean by that? Is it just a randomly-generated map based on your specifications of ocean/land, wet/dry etc? Or are all of those factors random?

	13-03-2002 13:25									#35
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quote: Originally posted by plogsted Keygen - The map description says "random". What do you mean by that? Is it just a randomly-generated map based on your specifications of ocean/land, wet/dry etc? Or are all of those factors random?

Just randomly-generated.

Some games use fixed maps with most popular the world map

	13-03-2002 16:10									#36
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Turn 2 set to FlameFlash

	13-03-2002 18:36									#37
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Ricketyclik - I will look at game turns later in week.... I am in a tournament at the minute and very little time.... My apologies!

	14-03-2002 03:23									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka Ricketyclik - I will look at game turns later in week.... I am in a tournament at the minute and very little time.... My apologies!

No worries Gav... good luck in the tourney.

Bulletproof players, since you're new like me, it may interest you to know, if you didn't already, that after questioning Gav revealed to me that it is not kosha to play each turn until you get the best outcome possible and then save and send it. Each turn may be played only once. I assume there is no way to check this, so it relies on honesty.

I must confess that I played the 1st turn about 4 times to plan good city locations, and for this I apologise. I promise it will not happen again. However, given that it was a crucial stage of the game, I'm inviting you all now to call a mis-game, and to start again. I will understand. On the other hand, if you're all prepared to forgive me and continue, I am more than happy to proceed.

Your call Bulletproof players... what do you say?

	14-03-2002 04:48									#39
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It depends on how much of an advantage you gained by scoping out more map than you deserved on the first turn. If you replayed the turn until you found the 'perfect' spots for your city, then I'm willing to start over, as I'm currently surrounded by swamp and jungle. But if this would mean too much work for Keygen to recreate a game, then don't worry about it. Hey - at least you're honest! Thanks.

	14-03-2002 06:27									#40
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hey i'm with plogsted, but i'm cool with it. also another thing is you can look at the persons map who plays after you so that relies on honesty too. i know this cause i'm currently playing a e-mail game on my desk top with my son and daughter. we just put them in the recycle bin when we are done. we are at about turn 75, being there is only 1 computer this was the easyest way to teach them how to play. anyway we all agree on the no rush buy trick but what about pw trick, pillageing and pirateing. keygen are those rules about ready, instead of being sent to homepage.




turn 2 recived, turn 2 sent to ricketyclik and blackice



And the Empire grew and the people were happy. Julius was busy founding the priesthood preparing his government but some rebelled and were ruthlessly crushed. The LORD said to Julius you did well my son. rule wisely but crush the unbelivers, and you will have a long and fruitfull reign.


MILAMBER OFFICAL ARCHIVEST OF ROME
This day March 13 2002

	14-03-2002 07:51									#41
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I don't think it gives that big an advantage rickety. I say we play on. But then again, I have _really_ good starting terrain and I got Agricultural Revolution from some ruins, so I'm biased.

	14-03-2002 08:00									#42
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quote: Originally posted by ricketyclik No worries Gav... good luck in the tourney. Bulletproof players, since you're new like me, it may interest you to know, if you didn't already, that after questioning Gav revealed to me that it is not kosha to play each turn until you get the best outcome possible and then save and send it. Each turn may be played only once. I assume there is no way to check this, so it relies on honesty. I must confess that I played the 1st turn about 4 times to plan good city locations, and for this I apologise. I promise it will not happen again. However, given that it was a crucial stage of the game, I'm inviting you all now to call a mis-game, and to start again. I will understand. On the other hand, if you're all prepared to forgive me and continue, I am more than happy to proceed. Your call Bulletproof players... what do you say?

I may get shot for this but you know what Honesty is the cure. On the other hand there is no way to check on this so...The way I personally view it is spies, spies every where... Lets face it that is what makes PBEM different. You have to play smart do not think you can do online stuff it will not work. Even if the other player does not know your move his ally might and give them the info. One thing not to do is advance the turns to see the out come. Adjust your turns yes, IMHO after all thats what special units are made for

You should start a poll and a new thread to get the over all votes on this fact of PBEM This is a democracy and we all have a say so go for it. Welcome aboard people BTW one of the fastest game starts I have seen cudos to all!!!!!!

	14-03-2002 09:34									#43
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Can I offer my player advice. Off thread of course!

	14-03-2002 14:47									#44
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Turn 3 sent to Seige and Blackice.

	14-03-2002 17:14									#45
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Well, partially it is my fault too.
I haven't managed to complete the second version of PBEM Rules so you can't be aware of any rule right now.
In the rules it is mentioned that multiple reload of a turn for trying different results is not permitted.

I can restart the game if all agree but in such an early stage I don't think there will ba any difference.

	14-03-2002 18:30									#46
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Ricketyclik you are honest... you have integrity... the majority of us are lying cheating scoundrels!!!

	14-03-2002 20:12									#47
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Restarting the game at turn 3 will not be a great deal. It's maybe preferable, so people would not complain later on that incident.

	14-03-2002 22:49									#48
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whoa wait a minute guys


I never said I was going to Micromanage Milamber's civ. I just said I would offer some friendly advice every now and then.

	15-03-2002 10:27									#49
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Well, I vote to start over. Thanks for the honesty though. If we are gonna stick with the game, can we buy and sell goods yet? I'm looking to buy someone's sugar for 20 gold.

Turn sent to Zulus.

	16-03-2002 03:22									#50
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Turn 3 recieved, Turn 3 sent to ricketyclick and blackice


Now a sear said to Julius beware the Ides of March, and while Julius was speaking in the forum he was set upon by thugs (rival pristhood). Being how he was forwarned he was wearing his breastplate under his robes of state and managed to survive the attack. The survivers Julius had drawn and quartered and the rival pristhood were given over to the stakes to be impaled.



OOOOOOH THAT HAD TO HURT.
MILAMBER OFFICAL ARCHIVEST OF ROME
This Ides of March 2002

	16-03-2002 06:18									#51
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Turn 3 received from Milamber, turn 4 sent to Seige and Blackice.

OK fellow players, it seems there is at least some desire to restart because of my (obvious, now that I think about it) cheating. Although I think the advantage I got from doing it will be minor in the long haul of the game, I would feel more comfortable re-starting if there is any ill feeling or misgivings. If any player still would like a re-start, as a couple have expressed (please confirm you still feel that way), then I vote for a restart.

I guess this is up to Keygen to decide.

Once again, I sincerely apologise for succumbing to temptation, when I really should have known better.

	18-03-2002 08:41									#52
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	18-03-2002 09:08									#53
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*shrugs* I'm glad I even decided to stop by... I've recently been able to only have time to check my e-mail, and since I haven't made contact with anybody I decided it wouldn't be a big deal not to stop by to read the threads.

Personally, I don't care. Your cities are in the prime locations you found to build them in one turn, congratulations. Certainly you got to see a little bit more of your map at the beginning than the rest of us, but by this point that advantage has certainly been derailed if everybody is using their mounted archer from the mod lite like they should.

I've recieved turn 4, I've sent it, I'm going to happily stick with this game, because the minor advantage you had at the beginning is long gone even now.

That, and we'll just all hunt you out and kill you in game j/k

My people are happy with the lands the gods have placed us within and are soon going to name me king as a result... so as you can see, I'm quite happy with how things are.

It's simply another newbie mistake, one any of us could have made, and as I said before, I'm fine with going ahead... what I'm surprised about is that this game didn't offer some kind of warning like SMAC does... I suppose Firaxis is more paranoid than Activision?

	18-03-2002 09:57									#54
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Turn 4 recieved, sent to ricketyclick and blackice.



Now Juliuses wife was with child and the Lord said he will be a male child and you will name him Julius. The Empire continued to grow and expand, and the people were happy and they gave thanks to Julius and to THE LORD.




MILAMBER OFFICAL ARCHIVEST OF ROME

This Day March 17 2002


PS Happy Staint Patricks Day everyone

	18-03-2002 15:30									#55
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Turn 4 received from Milamber, turn 5 sent to Seige the Bigmouth and Blackice.

And Carmen's political life was blooded; she'd used up all of her favours early, and now solemnly entered into the long haul of rebuilding alliances with her skeptical colleagues.

But in the long run, this lesson would prove to be invaluable...

	18-03-2002 23:28									#56
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I don't know about anyone else, but I'm hoping for a restart. Mainly because all I've got is swamp and jungle w/ one 4-tile long river. That's the last time I'll complain.

	19-03-2002 02:59									#57
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Everyone hunt out plogsted! j/k

I have a beautiful landscape, with mountains, rivers, poppies, forests, even access to the worlds oceans. Our gods are kind to us...

	19-03-2002 09:39									#58
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quote: Turn 4 received from Milamber, turn 5 sent to Seige the Bigmouth and Blackice.

Don't you worry..bigmouth will be making some noise once we start meeting on the map

	20-03-2002 08:24									#59
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Turn 5 recieved, sent to ricketyclick and blackice.




Now little Julius grew to manhood without his mother who died when he was born. He had many half-brothes and sisters, but he was the heir, He became the commander of the Romen armies and spent most of his time in the field with his men. And the LORD was pleased and the Empire prospered.



MILAMBER OFFICAL ARCHIVEST OF ROME
THIS DAY MARCH 19 2002

	20-03-2002 08:29									#60
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wow you guys are faster than us