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Comrade Tribune
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Vienna, Austria
Nov 1999
time: 06:18
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quote:
Originally posted by Boddington's
Some questions:
For those wanting to attack Iraq...
1) If the US/West is going to inspect Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, why shouldn't Iraq also have the right to inspect all of the United States' and other coutnries' weapons?
2) Will bombing Iraq REALLY counter terrorism? How does removing weapons of mass destruction stop the primitive hijacking of a vehicle in order for it to be flown into a symbolic building or two?
3) Why the delay since September 11th? Are our (the West's) military forces so ineffective that they can only attack one small third-world nation at a time?
For those criticising the plan to attack Iraq...
4) Why do we see the same posters campaigning against Bush/US no matter what the issue at hand is? Afghanistan, Iraq, Kyoto treaty - we get the usual anti-American hordes led by Saint Marcus, Paiktis et al. It strikes me that your positions aren't very well thought - you simply look to see what the US is going to do next, and immediately form an opinion against it merely because of the US. Have your own opinions, rather than being anti-Bush
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Thoughtful post.
Ad 4) I deserve a mention among the anti-American hordes!   Seriously: I never mentioned Kyoto, because I think the US have the right not to sign a treaty, even if itīs a bad decision. As to the rest: Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran: They hang together. This is part of a strategic mop-up: The US are more or less openly taking over the planet, and I am totally against that. So those are different battles of one campaign, and I am cheering for the US to loose the entire campaign (and as many individual battles as possible). This is logical, if you think about it.
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Rogan Josh
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I am actually much happier about returning to Iraq to remove Saddam now, than I was about the original invasion way back in the early nineties.
The original invasion was extremely dubious imho. Saddam was a dictator who at least made some effort to at least appear democratically elected, who had been supported by the west for years and given money to build up his army to combat Iran. Then he invades Kuwait, an unashamedly undemocratic nation with huge oil-derived wealth, in order to gain some of the disputed border oil fields and access to the sea.
Let's be honest here. It was never about democracy, or about terrorism, or about being scared that Iraq would attack the west. It was about oil. America and Europe were worried about losing control over the Kuwaiti oil fields, and the very rick Kuwaiti royal family and their very rich supporters were able to apply pressure to have something done about it.
I think this entire episode created lots of problems. First of all, by attacking Iraq we instantly made Saddam the enemy of the west, giving us a reason to be genuinely concerned about him. He is now motivated to fund terrorist groups against us. Secondly, the presence of US and European troops on 'holy ground' is what triggered this whole Al quaida problem, and God knows what a diaster that has been.
But, having said that, the problem is there now, and something should be done about it. Saddam is now an ememy of the west and should be removed entirely. But we need to do it right this time! Like one of the previous posters said earlier, we have to occupy Iraq for a long time and genuinely lessen the poverty and misery of the Iraqi civilians to gain their support. We have to create a stable democratic and pluralist system there, spending whatever money is necessary to improve the Iraqi infrastructure to make this work. this will take a long time and lots of money, but I think it is worth it.
Indeed, this is a real opportunity. Imagine having a stable pro-western but arab democracy in the area. It would demonstrate to the other ME arab nations that democracy and capitalism isn't just for the west. That they too can benefit from it, and it is not an attempt to merely subvert the arab countries but to improve their lot.
I woudl also say that something has to be done about the dictatorships in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait as well though. Why are we so friendly to such autocratic, despotic regimes?
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Bereta_Eder
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DOH! All of the EU believes that!
Besides Sharon caved in and lifted Arafat's blockade.
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Rogan Josh
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quote:
Originally posted by Chris 62
We are going to do whatever we want
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Not with a bullet through your head you won't....
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My Wife Hates CIV
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Michigan
Jan 1970
time: 05:18
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i bet niew trhab one xountry joins the us band wagon as soons as we wip iraw. right or wrong... it will happen. it all depends on the firts days of any attak. countroes are just like some posters here. so perdictyab;e,
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My Wife Hates CIV
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Michigan
Jan 1970
time: 05:18
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AHHH
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My Wife Hates CIV
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Michigan
Jan 1970
time: 05:18
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AHHH I POSTED IN ghe wrong threqad look in the isreal/palistiniana thread
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Chris 62
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But I'm feeling MUCH better now
Jan 2001
time: 00:18
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quote:
Originally posted by Rogan Josh
Oh, I don't think I'll have to (I am morally opposed to violence anyway ). With an attitude like that, I am sure someone else will do the job. Or maybe they will just fly a plane into your building.... |
Please continue, I'll get me violin.
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I am, off course, joking, but it brings up a serious point. It is entirely people like you who cause this sort of situation in the first place. You are nothing but an arrogant, ignorant little ****, who will probably never know what morallity is (or even care). It is people like you who piss off the entire world and make the US hated abroad. I think that is a real shame, because there are plenty of wonderful people in the US who then suffer because of people like you. |
Actually, problems are caused by the little jerk-offs in this thread looking to stir trouble, it's just dumb-asses like you that fail to see I'm just busting their balls, because the real root of their troll is jealousy.
You really must stop looking at test tubes and visit the real world once in awhile. 
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That is not to say that the terrorists wouldn't be out there anyway if people like you didn't exist - I am sure they would be - but their power and influence with people in the ME would be greatly reduced. People like you only serve to exacerbate the situation. |
I often wonder if your really as stupid as the things you write, like this for example.
The evidence would indicate yes. 
You are soooo predictable.
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