16-05-2000 23:51									#31
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That is a good point indeed. Although I do think it might be a nice touch for certain structures.
Why for instance should fossil fuel plants, as an example, still be used in 2050 or so when better alternatives exist?
Getting rid of the problem of destroying them when too old, they would fail to operate.
Furthermore, nuclear power plants are not expected, as I understand it, to last more than a maximum of 40 to 50 years. Once the time of one turn a year is reached it would certainly allow for further realism I believe.
That can also be extended to other major buildings or structures such as geothermal plants whos supply of usable warm water would decline over the years and decades.
Perhaps we would need to look a bit more thoroughly into this matter...

	23-05-2000 23:54									#32
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yes, right gerthermal power plants loose
power when the thermal conductivity is getting poor (lack of water) or when the
warm area is used up. Then new holes have
to be drilled, but not always the whole
power plant has to be substituted.

	24-05-2000 09:21									#33
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What about the use of energy saving devices? That should fit in here somewhere.

	26-05-2000 09:34									#36
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I'm just reading throu it.

And I agree that the climatic region a city is located in should have an effect on the need for energy. However, it should not make exploration and colonisation of such regions impossible, just harder.
Remember that in regions like Siberia there might not be enough wood at some places in the taiga but there are large swamps. Peat can also be used easily for energy, fire and heat. As it is still used today where there are no other alternatives.

I will add more comments later...

	29-05-2000 14:03									#37
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That's one good reason why the ancient civilizations started where they did.

	12-06-2000 05:19									#38
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krauter,

Discussion of recycling in the Apolyton Off-Topic. Join if you have time.

	20-12-2000 08:29									#42
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..no more comments ?

merry chrismas anyway....

	14-01-2001 18:32									#43
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Shall I do a general overview about the pointing/rate ?
No more new suggestions ?

	30-09-2001 16:31									#44
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Does anyone has a clew whether some of our ideas got implemented in CIV3 ?

I was offline for a while, being busy with:

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	30-09-2001 17:43									#45
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It is too late now to implement these ideas for Civ 3.

Don't give up, though, perhaps Civ 4...

	30-09-2001 17:51									#46
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University professor for renewable energy? I guess we need more people like you.

	30-09-2001 17:52									#47
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Is there a plan to forge an agreement on anything specific at the conference?

Anyway, I hope you do a good job representing the climate's interests.

	30-09-2001 22:23									#48
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quote: Originally posted by krauter As an university professor on that field, I would like to empathize the use of renewable energies in CIV3. While other technologies are discussed quite deeply, the use of renewables in CIV2 (esp. solar and wind) was superficial. Power output of renewables is depending on much more external parameters than conventional power plants and should be considered in the game; as: local ground surface, distance from coast, latitude (wind) local climate, temperature, shadowing (solar; some basic ideas have been realized in SMAC, nice !) water resource, height of mountains (hydro power) The different properties of solar thermal (works good at high ambient temperatures) and photovoltiac systems (generates electricity directly, works best in cold, but sunny climates) should be considered. Therefore renewables are of the biggest options of future energy supply (beside fusion I don`t know any other) some more attention should be paid for them. Additionally renewables should also have some impact on politics and social structure: less pollution (less angry people), less dependence from import of fuels (trade need for coal gets satisfied) Due to limits in resources, conventional energy should get more expensive within time, while costs of renewables should get cheaper due to technology advances. [This message has been edited by krauter (edited April 12, 2000).]

Remember, we are getting CIV3, not Renewable Energies 3

	01-10-2001 13:32									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Roman Is there a plan to forge an agreement on anything specific at the conference?

We try to get some agreements and binding legislation for easy grid connection of renewable energy power plants such as solar,
see http://www.rio02.de/programme/jan10.html

Rio 02 should bring together science, industry, politics and public.

	01-10-2001 15:29									#50
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quote: Originally posted by krauter We try to get some agreements and binding legislation for easy grid connection of renewable energy power plants such as solar, see http://www.rio02.de/programme/jan10.html Rio 02 should bring together science, industry, politics and public.

Good, this sounds like a realistic goal that can be actually achieved.