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Look, Fortuyn may have shocked some people with the outcome of the municipal elections, but he won in Rotterdam, and as we all know, people in Rotterdam are stupid and complete bastards; so there isn't that much to worry about.
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Saint Marcus
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Scio Me Nihil Scire
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Islam, he says, is a "backward culture" |
Actually, he called the Islam "achterlijk", which also means "retarded". When refering to "backward", people usually use "achtergebleven".
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Maybe we could ship both groups(Vlaams Blok & Leefbaar Nederland) to a little island (mururoa or so) |
Pim Fortuyn was kicked out of LN. He started his own party, Lijst Pim Fortyun. He's still in Leefbaar Rotterdam though.
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same applies with that dutch guy. question: does he got any sits in the dutch parliement? answer? |
Neither LN, not Pim's own party got any seats in Parliament cause this the first election they're in. Recent polls do give both parties somewhere between the 5 and 20 seats (out of 150).
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Yessirre! I sure am sad I live in America, where we are heartless uncaring people, who allow extreme right wing groups get over a third of the votes in major cities... |
LN is centre-right for American standards (and Dutch as well). Pim Fortuyn is extreme-right for Dutch (and european) standards, but would be medium right in the US. Furthermore, Pim's liberal (him being pro gay, pro choice, etc) unlike American right wingers. Also, the Republican Party would be considered extreme right here probably.
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I see Mark's Non-mention of this charecter as support of him. |
Hardly. Though some people I know are. I myself am going to vote on the Greens, and voted on a local (cente-left) party in local elections (my mom's in the party, and might get a seat in the city council).
The good thing about Pim is that he's stealing away votes from the VVD (liberal right wing free marketeers). This makes the chances of a cente-left coalition all that more likely. I'm hoping on a Labour+Greens+Christian Democrats coalition myself.
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as we all know, people in Rotterdam are stupid and complete bastards |
 Go Amsterdam!!
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I knew that the VB was being demonized by the Dutch media, but not that it was this bad. |
VB are a bunch of Fascists. I live only 4 km from the border, and my sis is studying in Ghent and my cousin in Liege. They aren't demonised by the dutch media, they just are plain fascists.
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Zoppy:
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Look, Fortuyn may have shocked some people with the outcome of the municipal elections, but he won in Rotterdam, and as we all know, people in Rotterdam are stupid and complete bastards; so there isn't that much to worry about. |
As we all know, people in the rest of the Netherlands are also stupid and complete bastards, so your conclusion does not follow.
(Yes, even in Amsterdam. Especially in Amsterdam :P )
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Actually, he called the Islam "achterlijk", which also means "retarded". When refering to "backward", people usually use "achtergebleven". |
But it seems obvious that he meant "backward" in this case.
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The good thing about Pim is that he's stealing away votes from the VVD (liberal right wing free marketeers). This makes the chances of a cente-left coalition all that more likely. I'm hoping on a Labour+Greens+Christian Democrats coalition myself. |
I think anything would be better than that. Perhaps even Fortuijn.
As if Greens and Christian-democrats aren't bad enough separately on their own 
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Drekkus
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Zopper,
Fortuyn didn't run in Amsterdam, did he. So keep your insults to your self until after the may 15 elections.
About Fortuyn: he's appealling to the feelings of dissatisfaction among a lot of people. His position now is easy. He's new and all he does is point towards the current failures of todays politcians and say that he will do it better. A lot of nouveau riche business man jump on his bandwagon, because they want things done (and think that are enough foreigners already).
When he will be elected the problems will start, because he and his friends don't have the solutions either. After four years of failed policy, people will go back to their old parties, or lose interest in politics all together.
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Faeelin
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Tau Ceti
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Wait. Because he's against Islamic immigrants, he's a fascist?
He has a valid point. They will throw their votes to the right, if they follow Americna voting trends of Muslims. Most of them vote Republican.
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Mercator
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Sorekara no Nanimo
Jan 1970
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Pim Fortuyn is no fascist nor is he a racist. He is mainly against the new "wave" of immigrants because he feels Holland is full and because it is a fact that most crime comes from immigrants. He doesn't want the immigrant guest workers out we dragged in ourselves in the past decades. In fact, in Rotterdam a lot of the people from Surinam voted for him. He's luckily only a moderate right-winger and has pointed out several times that he wants nothing to do with Filip Dewinter (Vlaams Blok).
That doesn't mean that I agree with what he says though. And he has a big mouth but hasn't given any solutions yet. I'm just hoping he has awoken the other politicians a bit.
And Assur, you're an ass. A while ago in "Man bijt hond" there was a nice report about the immigrants in Antwerp. Several people on the streets were asked to guess how many immigrants there really were. Most answers were ridiculously high, from 10% to 50% or so, while in reality the figures are more like 5-10%.
Vlaams Blok tries to appeal to the masses by claiming to solve all the problems by kicking out all immigrants, keeping others from entering, giving preference to "natives" etc.
This simply won't solve any problems, because these plans are generally only dealing with the symptoms. You have to accept we live in a multi-cultural society these days, and the keyword is integration. And that doesn't mean forcing immigrants right into society, forcing them to learn the language, adapt to the new culture etc. and it doesn't mean ignore immigrants either. The former is what right-wing parties advocate and the latter is what's been done for a long time now. Immigrants should be extensively helped and guided. Children should be taught in their native language while getting additional Dutch lessons and gradually phase into getting lessons in Dutch.
I think the multi-cultural society is really only a good thing. The only problem is that it mainly gets negative attention because of crime. And that's our fault, not theirs, because we pushed the immigrant workers in the deep when we first got them here. And now we have to take it like a man and deal with the consequences, not take the easy way out and blame it all on them.
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I recall him saying that books were "great" because they had such "great pictures". |
that makes him stupid
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Isn't the Netherlands one of the European countries whose native population is actually in decline?
Let me get this straight: in the nation which legalized marijuana, the young, who presumably consume most of this legal marijuana, favor this racist politician? Now there's an arguement against legalization of dope.
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10-03-2002 16:47
Worst, racism and xenophobia have to a large extend been incorporated as small fractions to the two major parties themselves...
Noo VLD=> it's a blue rabit 
It rather looks like they would want a Dictatorship of somekind outlawing everything they aren't.(their program isn't pretty(although it looks that way on first sight)
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