14-03-2002 15:25									#91
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Double post. sorry.

	14-03-2002 16:35									#92
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GP and others:

Again, I reiterate. I'm NOT saying this is some giant conspiracy. I'm saying the photographic evidence at the Pentagon do not match up with the established story.

That's all.

Why?

Simply because there IS NO SIGN of a plane here! If a plane hit, then where are the wings? (which would have snapped off upon impact with the reinforced building? Where is the tail? (which should have been on the front lawn?

Why is the ground not torn up or more than the first floor impact damaged?

Inconsistent.

That's all I'm saying.

And, I could understand the motivations for lying about it.

If it HAD been a truck bomb, then somebody was asleep at the wheel at the Pentagon for allowing such lax security that the truck got that close to begin with.

OTOH, there's not much that can be done about a Jet....so sure, let's tell a little lie to cover up inept security.

Where is the fourth plane?

I have no idea, but again, it ain't on the lawn of the Pentagon.

Wonder about ME all you like, but I think the question posed by this thread is a fair one.

Conspiracy? Doubt it. But it IS a good question, in my mind.

-=Vel=-

	14-03-2002 16:45									#93
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Missile launched in american soil, then?

	14-03-2002 18:25									#94
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This is not to believe in conspiracy that to believe that a gouvernment could lie to its citizen !

Few minutes after the attentat, people have talk about a car or a truck who exploded.

What about the fourth plane if it didn't crash into the pentagon ? Crashed where ? Why ?
Shot down by militar aircraft ? Lost of control ?

	14-03-2002 18:47									#95
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quote: Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior Shot down by militar aircraft ?

That is exactly what I think it happened, but the public oppinion would never accept that american civilians were killed rather to allow a plain hit (IMO) the white house, or other military/government building.

Probably, if I would be a ruthless military officer, I would procede the same way, I guess.

	14-03-2002 18:56									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Zealot That is exactly what I think it happened, but the public oppinion would never accept that american civilians were killed rather to allow a plain hit (IMO) the white house, or other military/government building. Probably, if I would be a ruthless military officer, I would procede the same way, I guess.

It wasn't maybe (if it really happened like that) the worse choice !If they cannot save people in the plane they have to save other potential victims. They had to shot down the plane.

But following this idea, but why they haven't shot down the two plane who crashed into the towers.

Maybe F16 came too late.

	14-03-2002 19:05									#97
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At most it's a cover up... I guess the most far-fetched scenario I accept is this:

truck bomb at pentagon
plane shot down over some body of water (Chesapeake Bay)
govt. decides to cover that up

	14-03-2002 19:24									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis At most it's a cover up... I guess the most far-fetched scenario I accept is this: truck bomb at pentagon plane shot down over some body of water (Chesapeake Bay) govt. decides to cover that up

Yes it a sense !

	14-03-2002 19:31									#99
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You know... if I had to make a troll conspiracy theorists post.... I'd have to say that the Republican party staged the 9-11 attacks because they are the ones that are benefitting the most from it. Bush is getting a free ride until 2008 because of 9-11.

	14-03-2002 19:35									#100
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Again Sava, your sense of exageration is overhelming !

Since the subject of this thread (I may be wrong) is what happened to Pentagone and not to seek any Alien implication in the bloody 9/11 event.

Personnaly I think simply that militar could have hide some part of the truth to not destabilize more americans.

	14-03-2002 19:46									#101
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quote: Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior Again Sava, your sense of exageration is overhelming ! Since the subject of this thread (I may be wrong) is what happened to Pentagone and not to seek any Alien implication in the bloody 9/11 event. Personnaly I think simply that militar could have hide some part of the truth to not destabilize more americans.

I got more troll posts...

Speaking of aliens...

Maybe aliens staged 9-11 just to get humanity to destroy itself. America starts a war with the middle east... everyone launches nukes... humanity kills itself... MARS RECLAIMS EARTH!!

	14-03-2002 19:51									#102
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Yes ... you mark a good point ! Moreover, it's well known that alien lifes in a radioactif atmospheres!

	14-03-2002 19:58									#103
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Yes, 4 planes. All accounted for.
As was asked, what are you smoking?
As conspiracy theorists, keep your day jobs.

	14-03-2002 20:02									#104
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SlowwHand, you really believe in a plane that leave no debris?

	14-03-2002 20:05									#105
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WTF are you talking about, Mr. Zealot?
The 2 planes at WTC left beau coup debris.
The 1 plane at the Pentagon also left much debris.
The 1 plane in the fields of Pennsylvania left much scattered debris.

Let me add this up real quick. 2+1+1=4. Right, 4.

	14-03-2002 20:09									#106
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand The 1 plane at the Pentagon also left much debris.

Can you give us pictures of them please?
Because the pics I've seen so far show exactly the opposite.

	14-03-2002 20:15									#107
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Does it have to be FOX photos, ala Wiglaf?

	14-03-2002 20:18									#108
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OK. First, many people present that day reported seeing debris. No, none of it large, and none of it sticking up in the air to make a good picture.

Next, the plane did NOT hit the Pentagon straight on. Damage evaluation after the attack indicates it hit at about a 45 degree angle to the facing wall. It plowed from right to left, as you face the damaged area.

Eyewitness accounts indicate the plane did not strike the ground floor, but initially impacted the second floor. (No, I cannot see where it impacted in the photos pointed to in the initial post, but I also cannot see anything below the third floor clearly.)

The nose of the aircraft came to rest in A-E Drive, an internal roadway around the pentagon, between the B and C rings, and inside the second 'wedge'. (The plane initially impacted the first 'wedge'. The path of destruction, from the first to the second wedge, is what makes experts believe in the 45 degree angle.)

So basically, the plane struck at an angle, and plowed through the E-ring, the D-ring, and the C-ring before coming to a stop. The E-ring is the only ring that was totally destroyed/collapsed. D and C were severly damaged, and the fireball rolling down corridors 4 and 5 caused extensive damage to B and A as well.

If you superimpose a boing 757 image over the Pentagon, at a 45 degree angle, with the nose resting just inside the C-ring, you will see that the entire aircraft fits inside the building. Plus most of the 'wing-damage' would be in the area that later collapsed.

Like Vel, I am 'vaguely disturbed' by the government's attempt to run rough-shod over our rights since that day, but I don't need non-sensical conspiracy theories to explain it for me.

Go ahead and flame.

	14-03-2002 20:24									#109
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Does it have to be FOX photos, ala Wiglaf?

Anything from the U.S. Army would suffice.

	14-03-2002 20:27									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Zealot Anything from the U.S. Army would suffice.

U.S. Army? Why U.S. Army? If it was U.S. Army photos, wouldn't you claim the military had doctored the photos?

	14-03-2002 20:37									#111
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Hey, weren't the military that claimed that a Boeing crashed on the Pentagon?

Then go get me some!
Of course, if you have more of other sources, feel free to show them!

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	14-03-2002 20:46									#112
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Forget it, Zealot.
There's not even really a Pentagon.
Mere rumor and propaganda.

	14-03-2002 21:08									#113
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Forget it, Zealot. There's not even really a Pentagon. Mere rumor and propaganda.

Is that how you deal with a challenge?

	14-03-2002 21:10									#114
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No, that's how I deal with a dead head.

	14-03-2002 21:17									#115
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Oh, I'm the dead head?
I see some pictures of the US Army about the explosion on the Pentagon. No plain debris there!
You say there was a plain there, and I ask you to show me some pictures! And you have the nerve to insinuate that I'm asking for something that only a moron would ask for!

So, did you see any plain debris on the Pentagon about the 9/11 acident? If you did, show them to us. If you didn't, well, shut it!

	14-03-2002 23:11									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Grrr I am by now becoming pretty sure that 9-11 is a load of bull ****. Both the pentagon and the WTC were destroyed by the US government in the largest conspiracy to date.

They try to hide in fact an Alien attacks ... Nobody must now that they are here !!!

	14-03-2002 23:16									#117
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It was just a plain old mythical plane, that hit a building that isn't there.
Don't spread it around too much.

	14-03-2002 23:42									#118
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Read some of the articles by people who fought the fire in the Pentagon. They saw evidence of the plane crash. Also, where do you think the plane ended up? people are dead who flew on it.

And how did the military make this ruse timed perfectly with the other attacks. They would have to coordinate all of them.

You are butt-stupid.

	14-03-2002 23:55									#119
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quote: Originally posted by GP And how did the military make this ruse timed perfectly with the other attacks. They would have to coordinate all of them.

This means that your militar cannot do what some illegal terro group could do ??

No ...

Of course militar or Mossad didn't plan such attacks...

The only doubt is what hit the pentagon ?

The photo raise questions. Maybe the plane was shot down by F16 in the ocean and the gouvernment lie to manage american who already suffer a chock.

Maybe not. Due to extrem velocity, the plane craches into oblivions. At 800km/h the impact is extremely violant. Generaly most crashes occures at an average speed of 300/400 km/h or at fall speed (I think that a plane falls slower than an human does).

But all this will not change who commit the attentat neither the sinister casualties count.

	15-03-2002 00:56									#120
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**Throws up hands and walks away** Screw it all. It isn't worth the trouble anymore.