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Kramsib
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Father and protector of PROGRESSIVE GAMES, SANTANDER, Cantabria, España (Spain), Unión Europea (European Union)
Sep 2001
time: 06:18
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Sencillamente brillante, Kublai, acabas de darla una patada en el culo a esa ignorante, acabo de leer tu respuesta en Civfanatics.
A lo sumo, la razón me dice que lo único relacionado con el alimento transportable serían semillas, pero nada de alimentos perecederos.
A mi entender, el descubrimiento de América, la causa principal, fue la búsqueda de nuevas rutas alternativas a las del Mediterráneo que estaban infestadas de piratas, turcos en gran número. A los portugueses les dió por bordear África a pelo. A los españoles nos dió por dar la vuelta completa al globo y ¡Pum!, se toparon con un pedazo de cacho de trozo de tierra, que si no llega a estar donde estaba, a Colón le iban a colgar por los cataplines del palo de mesana y a los Pinzones por la rima. Hubiera sido una faena ¿eh? 
Pero de ahí a que la causa principal fuera la búsqueda de alimentos, ... a lo sumo, alimentos que venían de las rutas de comercio europeas y que resultaba más barato traer en barco que el transporte interno (dada la puñeta de las aduanas y las alcabalas, que no había mucha carretera, salteadores de caminos, poca movilidad en definitiva de los propios campesinos que no podían salir del feudo, y comerciantes que preferían los barcos a las carretas...).
Y vale, muy probablemente los Vikingos descubrieran América antes que los Españoles, pero ¿a que no dejaron tanto rastro?.
Y una frase para la reflexión, si en vez de descubrir América la hubieramos encontrado, otro gallo nos cantaría.
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Shaka Naldur
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Castellón, Spain
May 2000
time: 06:18
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atencion a lo siguiente
pura poesia
quote:
Originally posted by Dario
There are several historical theories on the subject. 20 years ago you would learn that columbus was a portuguese sailor who discovered america. 10 years ago you would learn that columbus was a genovese sailor who discovered america. Nowadays, there are 3 main theories on the subject:
- North America was discovered by Gaspar Corte-Real some years before 1492. However portugal (corte-real was portuguese) was not quite sure of what they had found also (was it the indies, was it a new thing...) and they sure as hell didn't have the resources to explore it properly, since they were pushing for the more profitable (in the shor term) sea route to india, around africa. Somehow, the spanish knew that there was something out there worth exploring, so portugal sent columbus to "find it" for spain, and report back the spanish intentions. This is the most plausible theory in my opinion, because it explains why the spanish wich were no explorers (unlike the portuguese) decided to fund an expedition to the unknown: they knew there was something out there already, and they could only have known that by the portuguese...
- North America was discovered by the spanish and the portuguese knew nothing about it. Unlikely. Portuguese were doing all the sea exploring back then. If someone would know there was something in the ocean, that someone would be the portuguese...
- Portuguese knew that north america was there (again due to corte-real's voyage), but columbus was not a spy. This is a good theory. The only think that makes me believe that columbus was in fact a spy, is the fact that he was portuguese...
Evidence apparently points towards corte-real visiting america before columbus (an inscription was found i don't remember where that apparently proves that). What is relevant however, is the fact that if corte-real discovered america, then both the portuguese and the spanish knew that already, and columbus jorney served only to make it official.
That happened with cabral's jorney to brazil. There is proof that when he discovered it in 1500, portugal already knew it was there, hence the change in the tordesilhas treaty imposed by portugal to include it on its part of the world. |
se han fijado en el fino detalle de q colon era portugues y un espia
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18-03-2002 17:32
(de ilusión también se vive, oye 
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