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Communist Party of Apolyton
Jan 2002
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Proposal II
Aspects on the struggle:
"The emancipation of the workers will be the work of the workers themselves"
"Socialism will be international or it will not exist."
On lesbian gay liberation:
(1) The oppression faced by lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered (LGBT) people is a reality in all countries of the world. The association of HIV with homosexuality has led to global stigmatization of sex between men and of sexual acts outside the monogamous heterosexual family. Sexuality in general is a political issue.
(2) The link between the oppression of LGBT people and women's oppression is key to our understanding and the struggles for liberation are consequently closely linked.
(3) We defend the necessity of autonomous movements of LGBT people, understanding that oppression cannot be overcome without self-organization.
(4) We fight for an understanding of the link between the lesbian/gay struggle and the workers' movement, while avoiding subordinating the lesbian/gay struggle to some other movement.
(5) We fight for an internationalist approach to this question. LGBT people are oppressed everywhere, albeit in different ways. The movement needs to organize internationally and in solidarity with the most oppressed.
On ecology:
We demand:
A radical break with the exploitative system of agricultural export production in the dependent countries which produces famine and poverty.
An immediate ban on the entire nuclear power cycle.
An immediate ban on the production and use of toxic and dangerous substances such as chlorinated fluorocarbons and asbestos.
No economic exploitation of the Antarctic.
No to the destruction of the tropical rain forests and to the fatal pollution of the forests in the industrialized countries.
Stop all agricultural practices which destroy the soil in the industrialized countries.
Stop dumping waste into the seas, rivers and lakes.
Prevent dangerous — and in the "Third World", with the slaughter of the Amazon Indians, even genocidal — nuclear power projects such as Kararao (Brazil) and Sardars Sarovar (India).
Ban all toxic waste transports and on the transfer of hazardous production processes to the dependent countries.
We support:
A system of agriculture in dependent countries that is primarily oriented to securing the basic necessities of the population.
Production of goods for civilian instead of military use.
Useful and planned use of energy instead of over-exploitation of nonrenewable energy sources: development of alternative energy sources such as solar and wind energy, energy from biological sources, etc.
Ecological farming.
Development of public instead of private, individual transport systems, especially local transport and railway.
Filters and sewage works, etc., are insufficient. What is required is a fundamental industrial conversion which forbids environmental pollution right from the start.
A policy of recycling and radical avoidance of waste.
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Is that a facsimile of your head, Sava, or are you merely incapable of expressing yourself in a more meaningful way?
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OOOOOH looks like the commies are mad at me....
How about this... commies... how about you advocate social reform in our own government instead of advocating a form of government that:
A. Doesn't Work
B. Is repressive
C. Won't last
and
D. Will soon fade away into history
You twerps should just be happy that you live in a free society where you can speak your mind. In Communism you cannot. Maybe you all should get in a time machine and go to the Soviet bloc circa 1945-1989. Why don't you see how happy those people were? Or take a trip to China. Watch how happy the Chinese people are with their form of government.
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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
time: 07:18
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Originally posted by Kamrat X
On ecology:
We demand:
A radical break with the exploitative system of agricultural export production in the dependent countries which produces famine and poverty.
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An immediate ban on the entire nuclear power cycle.
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 We need to free ourselves from the fossil fuel. I say continue building new nuke powerplants , and push on with the fusion power research instead.
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An immediate ban on the production and use of toxic and dangerous substances such as chlorinated fluorocarbons and asbestos.
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No economic exploitation of the Antarctic.
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Why not ? If there is any place where a minimal amount of wildlife is damaged while resources are gathered, it is antarctica.
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No to the destruction of the tropical rain forests and to the fatal pollution of the forests in the industrialized countries.
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also , contolled lumbering ,that the ecology will be able to sustain, such as selected trees , not entire patches of woodland.
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Stop all agricultural practices which destroy the soil in the industrialized countries.
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What exactly are you referring to?
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Stop dumping waste into the seas, rivers and lakes.
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toxic waste that is.
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Prevent dangerous — and in the "Third World", with the slaughter of the Amazon Indians, even genocidal — nuclear power projects such as Kararao (Brazil) and Sardars Sarovar (India).
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not familiar with the subject.
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Ban all toxic waste transports and on the transfer of hazardous production processes to the dependent countries.
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I agree . We should use antarctica instead.
We support:
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A system of agriculture in dependent countries that is primarily oriented to securing the basic necessities of the population.
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Actually , a much more correct decision , IMO,would be to produce most of the food in europe , and ship it to places where it's much more difficult to grow them.
Lots of food is being destroyed to keep prices up, non?
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Production of goods for civilian instead of military use.
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most of them already are. It depends actually.
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Useful and planned use of energy instead of over-exploitation of nonrenewable energy sources: development of alternative energy sources such as solar and wind energy, energy from biological sources, etc.
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it will never support the world. you know it , I know it .
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Ecological farming.
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sure, no pesticides . GM crops instead. And the transferring of genes from one species to another is VERY rare.
better ask PH , though, he's a pro.
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Development of public instead of private, individual transport systems, especially local transport and railway.
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agreed. All these would be according to planned development.
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Filters and sewage works, etc., are insufficient. What is required is a fundamental industrial conversion which forbids environmental pollution right from the start.
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I am not sure . So do you mean we don't need sewers ?  
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A policy of recycling and radical avoidance of waste. |
agreed.
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Jon Miller
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Originally posted by Kamrat X
Proposal II
Aspects on the struggle:
"The emancipation of the workers will be the work of the workers themselves"
"Socialism will be international or it will not exist."
On lesbian gay liberation:
(1) The oppression faced by lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered (LGBT) people is a reality in all countries of the world. The association of HIV with homosexuality has led to global stigmatization of sex between men and of sexual acts outside the monogamous heterosexual family. Sexuality in general is a political issue.
(2) The link between the oppression of LGBT people and women's oppression is key to our understanding and the struggles for liberation are consequently closely linked.
(3) We defend the necessity of autonomous movements of LGBT people, understanding that oppression cannot be overcome without self-organization.
(4) We fight for an understanding of the link between the lesbian/gay struggle and the workers' movement, while avoiding subordinating the lesbian/gay struggle to some other movement.
(5) We fight for an internationalist approach to this question. LGBT people are oppressed everywhere, albeit in different ways. The movement needs to organize internationally and in solidarity with the most oppressed.
On ecology:
We demand:
A radical break with the exploitative system of agricultural export production in the dependent countries which produces famine and poverty.
An immediate ban on the entire nuclear power cycle.
An immediate ban on the production and use of toxic and dangerous substances such as chlorinated fluorocarbons and asbestos.
No economic exploitation of the Antarctic.
No to the destruction of the tropical rain forests and to the fatal pollution of the forests in the industrialized countries.
Stop all agricultural practices which destroy the soil in the industrialized countries.
Stop dumping waste into the seas, rivers and lakes.
Prevent dangerous — and in the "Third World", with the slaughter of the Amazon Indians, even genocidal — nuclear power projects such as Kararao (Brazil) and Sardars Sarovar (India).
Ban all toxic waste transports and on the transfer of hazardous production processes to the dependent countries.
We support:
A system of agriculture in dependent countries that is primarily oriented to securing the basic necessities of the population.
Production of goods for civilian instead of military use.
Useful and planned use of energy instead of over-exploitation of nonrenewable energy sources: development of alternative energy sources such as solar and wind energy, energy from biological sources, etc.
Ecological farming.
Development of public instead of private, individual transport systems, especially local transport and railway.
Filters and sewage works, etc., are insufficient. What is required is a fundamental industrial conversion which forbids environmental pollution right from the start.
A policy of recycling and radical avoidance of waste. |
some things you say are good (or maybe all)
but puting them into the striving takes away energy from what is truly important (what is communism) and leaves ample areas for disagreement
we need to follow the core beleifs of communism
public ownership of companies
I am actually not that pro-Marx, Chi
so how about we stay with communism at it's most simple
KrazyHorse, your beleive in what communism is all about makes you a communist
so try joining like I did and then splinter off if it is otherwise unsatisfying
my personal beleive is that we fix the social-economic problem with communism and then the other problems get much easier to solve (or are solved)
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We need to focus on
1 - public ownership of companies
2 - how to acheive this
3 - what is the political system
BTW, I would suggest something democratic as the system
Jon Miller
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Jon Miller
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I also suggest that we do not try and revolution the world
we should change them by example (IE look so much better than they that they change to be like us), instead of calling on all to change by revolution or whatever
if just one nation displayed a decent communistic system, then other nations would see that it is not just a dream and can be fulfilled, then they may take up communism
Jon Miller
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Bereta_Eder
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Listen. we're not getting anywhere with this.
Let's just get out and destroy some property.
If you find Moneypenny(Dinodoc), take her hostage.
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Bereta_Eder
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quote:
Originally posted by Stefu
Communists. How quaint.
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hmrffffbwaahahahahaha.
Clopyrighted.
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Jon Miller
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we need a new thread for serious replies
Jon Miller
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Jon Miller
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I suggest we have no chairman
all we should vote for is a person to call people to vote on what has alerady been determined important and the like
if it gets to the point where there are enough people, a ruling council should be voted in (where council members get voted in based upon their industry/job)
Jon Miller
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Bereta_Eder
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Originally posted by Jon Miller
hmmm
how would one prove allegiance?
I have said that I would give it a wirl, and if I found I disagreed I would splinter off
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you don't fool anyone. To prove alligiance you have to kill a capitalist for Marx.
(kill a commie for Jesus - in reverse).
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