10-04-2002 02:52									#31
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quote: Originally posted by ACooper duh

duh x2

	10-04-2002 05:35									#32
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo ACooper: I don't think that 52 votes is a very representative result. In fact, it doesn't mean much. Maybe 200 or 300 votes would start to mean something... More than 200 members viewed this thread, but only 52 of them voted. So we're not going to have 200 votes any time soon.

each seperate post and vote generates 2 views each (somebody posting and voting will generate 3 views)

	10-04-2002 05:56									#33
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"Lies, Damned Lies, and STATISTICS"


Personally, I don't care about multiplayer. The AI takes more than enough time to take its turns. I really couldn't stand waiting for a number of human players to carry out their turns.

However, a smallish poll like this isn't enough to determine which party is the majority. Yet in previous posts on this thread, I agree with the consensus that whiners are truly the minority.

	10-04-2002 06:31									#34
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ColdWizard: I see... Thanks for the info. For the record, I think that the lack of multiplayer support is a real problem. But its not top priority IMO. And its probably not top priority for most people who post here. Improving the SP gameplay and giving the scenario community a good scenario editor are IMO more important issues.

LorsAzreal: "Lies, Damned Lies, and STATISTICS" LOL! You're right, of course: 55 votes doesn't mean anything. Maybe if we had 200, 300 or 400 votes it would mean something. But that will probably never happen.

	11-04-2002 15:34									#35
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo "Lies, Damned Lies, and STATISTICS" LOL! You're right, of course: 55 votes doesn't mean anything. Maybe if we had 200, 300 or 400 votes it would mean something. But that will probably never happen.

Even then, 400 votes wouldn't be the whole truth. The only reason people actually rely on statistics is because it is way too impractical to ask EVERYONE involved. For the question "Do you care about no multiplayer in Civ III?" you'd need to ask everyone who plays Civ III (all gamers, casual and hardcore). That is damn well near impossible, especially since there may be those whose computers have no internet access (not very likely though) and there's also those who don't have enough Internet usage to participate in forum discussions. There are also those whose "I don't give a damn" opinion is so solid that they couldn't be bothered.

	11-04-2002 16:13									#36
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I want multiplayer in Civ3! It's as easy as that...

	11-04-2002 18:32									#37
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I wish Firaxis would hold to their promise and produce multiplayer and an editor tool capable of producing the proper sort of scenarios that CtP II (and to a certain extent Civ II) were capable of. Unfortunately they seem to have hit problems with MP otherwise it would not have been cut. I don't think their beancounters reckon MP and scenario builders are going to sell an expansion pack so its possible we will never see them. Having moved on to other games I don't expect I'd buy anything Civ III related unless the whole game gets a radical transformation into something more genuinely fun to play.

	11-04-2002 18:40									#38
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Who cares about MP?

If I started a game now, I'd have to take breaks in the modern age to go get my pension from the post office ...



MP my arse.

	11-04-2002 19:14									#39
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This is an obtuse way of looking at is but...

What if Firaxis turned around and said: "Alright everyone... we are going to produce a free expansion pack within 4 months and it will have:


Either:

- A kick arse AI (rivalling Chessmaster 3000 on level 8)

*** OR ***

- multiplayer capability

I wouldn;t have to guess what the conscensus would be!

	11-04-2002 23:07									#40
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LordAzreal: quote: "Even then, 400 votes wouldn't be the whole truth. The only reason people actually rely on statistics is because it is way too impractical to ask EVERYONE involved. For the question "Do you care about no multiplayer in Civ III?" you'd need to ask everyone who plays Civ III (all gamers, casual and hardcore)." You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!

You ask too much. A well designed poll would be sufficient and would be far more cost-effective. If your poll has a good sample size and if the sample is not biased, that would give you a pretty good idea of what most owners of Civ 3 think about the lack of multiplayer support. Of course, if you want to know what most owners of Civ 3 think, 400 votes is clearly not enough. BTW that was not my ambition: I just wanted to know what the active members on the Civ 3 forums think on the multiplayer issue. And 400 votes may well be enough for that purpose. Of course, the sample could be biased...

exeter0: quote: "A kick arse AI (rivalling Chessmaster 3000 on level 8)" Sadly, that will never happen...

	12-04-2002 01:09									#41
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The multi-player was no excuse. Then again there were plenty of no excuses for the most popular game around.


Dave

	12-04-2002 04:52									#42
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quote: Originally posted by exeter0 - A kick arse AI (rivalling Chessmaster 3000 on level 8)

Unfortunately the number of combat units will have to be reduced to five types, only one size map will be available and each civ gets one weak leader unit that means immediate loss if captured.

Don't give Firaxis anymore ideas on how to ruin the Civ legacy more than they already have.

	12-04-2002 08:55									#43
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo LordAzreal: quote: "Even then, 400 votes wouldn't be the whole truth. The only reason people actually rely on statistics is because it is way too impractical to ask EVERYONE involved. For the question "Do you care about no multiplayer in Civ III?" you'd need to ask everyone who plays Civ III (all gamers, casual and hardcore)." You want the truth? You can't handle the truth! You ask too much...

Haven't you read the rest of my post? From where you left off, it goes on to say:

quote: That is damn well near impossible, especially since there may be those whose computers have no internet access (not very likely though) and there's also those who don't have enough Internet usage to participate in forum discussions. There are also those whose "I don't give a damn" opinion is so solid that they couldn't be bothered.

You can't just read a fraction of the post and assume that it is the whole opinion being expressed. The part you missed is the important part. My point was that the most effective way is to ask EVERYONE, but it is way too impractical to carry out and we must instead rely on a sample. Part of it was even in the part you quoted. You missed the whole point of what I said. I wasn't asking for anything, just making a valid point that the only way to get an accurate reading is impossible to carry out (and I don't think the government is going to add "Do you care about no MP in Civ3?" to the census).

	12-04-2002 08:56									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Trix Who cares about MP? If I started a game now, I'd have to take breaks in the modern age to go get my pension from the post office ... MP my arse.

With the kinds of Civ players I know, I'd need to sell my brain to the brain bank on the condition that they wire it up to my computer after I pass on so I can continue my game after death.

	12-04-2002 17:24									#45
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LordAzreal. Quote : "You can't just read a fraction of the post and assume that it is the whole opinion being expressed. The part you missed is the important part."

I read the whole post. I assure you. I trimmed it down for humoristic purposes: to insert my Nicholson joke.

Quote: "My point was that the most effective way is to ask EVERYONE, but it is way too impractical to carry out and we must instead rely on a sample. Part of it was even in the part you quoted. You missed the whole point of what I said. I wasn't asking for anything, just making a valid point that the only way to get an accurate reading is impossible to carry out (and I don't think the government is going to add "Do you care about no MP in Civ3?" to the census)."

I agreed then and I agree now that the only way to get a PERFECTLY accurate reading is to ask everyone. I also agreed then and agree now that it's impossible to carry out. I understood those points when I first read them. But I was also under the impression that you denied that we can get a FAIRLY or a MODERATELY accurate reading with a well designed poll. But I can see now that I was wrong: you're obviously not claiming that polls have no accuracy whatsoever.

	12-04-2002 18:08									#46
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Just for the record, YES, I do care. I'm playing SMAC/SMACX and Civ2 PBEM games for 3 years now and am really hot to finally get that multiplayer/PBEM feature!