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here.
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Well, at least its nice to know that things arent settling back down to normal after all the recent brouhaha.
BTW, i *still* havent seen anything thats made me believe this is real. But to be honest my head is starting to spin every time i look on these (or the delphi) forums, so what i believe doesnt really count for much.
Bleh. I need a holiday.
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Xentax
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Ok folks, as far as I can tell, the material people are revealing is legitimate, in at least as much as they aren't faking it.
But this is NOT a "Single Player Demo of MOO3" as we've been saying, and as the magazine cover would suggest. The magazine's staff may well have been told that, however.
This is the E3 demo build of MOO3 at that time, or a similar variant thereof. What features it possesses, and how those compare to the final product (or even the state of the game at this moment), are unknown, but there's less correlation than the people that play this "demo" (pre-alpha build, more accurately) would probably expect.
So, here's where we stand:
Apparently, the magazine did, or is about to, mass-distribute this build. While they appear to have acted in good-faith, they were either hoodwinked by Infogrames' Australian branch, or by one or more individuals within that organization acting on their own.
QSI hasn't passed on word to us from Infogrames US yet (as of about an hour ago, they're waiting to hear back still), but QSI certainly doesn't view this is an authorized publication, and I doubt IG US will, either.
If you see this ... material ... first hand, my advice to you is to take it with a grain of salt. We've all heard Rantz say why he's against releasing such material early on, because it does NOT necessarily reflect the quality or even the nature of the final product. I think they'll be saying shortly (and I agree) that this build is NOT highly reflective of what the final game will look like.
Hang on to your hats; the full story will become clear soon enough, I think -- I'd estimate by the end of the business day Pacific Daylight Time at the latest (about 6 hours from when I write this).
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Zanteogo
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You mean Aussies will play MOO 3 with IFPs and we won't?
I don't think they will be doing much "playing". The game is a really old Alpha build for E3.
I should have my own copy of the demo soon.. for me, it's just one big pile of screen shots.
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Xentax
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Apr 2002
time: 00:18
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Originally posted by Zanteogo
Well, I can say I am VERY happy to hear that.
No offense, but you need to give the public some credit. If I see some screens that are "less that perfect", I will understand. The pics of the space combat look fine to me. (not great, but I know it's an alpha build) Can't wait to get my hands on the "demo" myself.  |
With all respect, I gave "the public" no less and no more credit than they deserved. A hoax was definitely more probable than a real leak of the game, given the data we had to go on and the non-authoritative nature of the sources.
I try to operate on the principle of deciding based on what I know, while always considering what new data might yet present itself. Anyone remember the whole G4 Cube "leak" fiasco? People were trying to demonstrate how the photos HAD to be fake by pointing to what they claimed was evidence of bad editing, yet the images turned out to be real.
You'll notice I never tried to demonstrate that the images and such we've seen _were_ fake -- I just maintained that they very easily could have BEEN fakes. Given their pre-alpha nature, which has been confirmed, I still submit that they're not nearly as reflective of the final game as people will tend to think.
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CharonX
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Its all a conspirancy, I tell ya!
QS intentionally "leaked" the "demo" to the mag, so they put it on their CD and then all the warez groups gonna distribute the "demo" thousandfold - but since it´s not "the real thing" (and infected by harvesters) the audience waiting for MoO 3 will increase greatly (and all the warez currys & co will suddenly find them under attack of space-faring tree&plant lubbers popping out of their PCs)
Buggrem, millenium hand and shrimp, I told them, I told them, buggrem...
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MarkG
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Grand Lord of Apolyton, Owner of all this land as far as the eye can see
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"dude" signing as "Editor" of PCPP says on the pcpowerplay.com.au forums
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Just to reassure all PCPP readers here in Australia: the MOO3 demo on PCPP#73's coverdisc was given to us, on official CD stock, by GameNation, the Australian distributor of Infogrames, who in turn is QSI's and thus MOO3's publisher.
Naturally we are very careful with material we put on our coverdisc. The situation is muddied becaase as a magazine we are not permitted to speak directly to QSI and are 'sheilded' from the developer by Infogrames, so I can only assume that QSI was aware of this demo.
I should also note that the cover image on this issue (the cat woman) was drawn specially for PCPP by QSI, which makes me think that they were perfectly aware of the entire demo distribution.
The MOO3 demo and MOO3 cover were the result of considerable negotiation and I have in my possession signed materials indicating that at the very least, GameNation and Infogrames are aware that we put the demo on our coverdisc.
I can only apologise to members of the online MOO3 community to whom this demo comes as a bit of a shock. I am not part of that community and was unaware that QSI allegedly said there would be no demo. GameNation assured me that the MOO3 demo was an exclusive, print-only demo with no online distribution, perhaps this is where the confusion arises.
I will be speaking to GameNation today about this situation, and will give anyone who's still interested an update after then.
Thanks!
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the_jonesy
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hey guys, i am from the pcpowerplay community. i post there on their forums a lot and Warbeast came in last night (to one of our chatrooms, on austnet servers using IRC)(aussie time) and was talking about it. i have one of the discs with the demo on. i can assure you that dude & deal mentioned before in other posts (anthony fordham & robert deal respectively) are sincere about their position. these guys wouldnt intentially do anything that would be past a developer because they love games and i'm sure this could screw the developers in some way.
anyhow, feel free to email me the_jonesy@hotmail.com or step by the pcpowerplay forums www.pcpowerplay.com.au/forums/
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CSaxrulz
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Where can this "demo" be found online? Anyone know?
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Anthony Fordham
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Hi everyone,
My name is Anthony Fordham and I'm the editor of PC PowerPlay, the magazine in question. (you can email me on anthonyf@next.com.au - Next Media is the name of our company).
Even though this contradicts my previous post which I notice has made it up here (cheers!) here we go:
Yes, we seem to have published an E3 build. No, we didn't know it was an E3 build at the time.
This was not a normal demo, because normally we put what WE want on the coverdisc. In this case however, we HAD to put it on the coverdisc as part of another deal with GameNation, Infrogrames' Australian distributor.
Point 6 of an agreement that GameNation had me sign reads: "PC Powerplay guarantees to publish an exclusive Master of Orion 3 demo on the next issue of PC PowerPlay."
We got the demo, like so many other demos, on official, printed GameNation CD media. It looked totally legit. We installed it, ran it, and it appeared normal, but it looks like we lucked out there; other people have experienced numerous bugs.
It would appear that GameNation has REALLY screwed the pooch on this one and given us Alpha code.
I would like to apologise to Quicksilver and to the MOO3 community for this turn of events and sincerely regret that the developers' work has been exposed in an imperfect state like this. PCPP as a magazine is wholly against all forms of illegal software distribution, and as gamers we respect and admire developers and their right not to have imperfect work exposed.
Naturally, the can of worms is now open and this build will probably be all over the Net by now - shame on you warez kiddies! (still if we hadn't published it... oh well!)
I just want to re-iterate what everyone already knows - this build is NOT the MOO3 that you love and anticipate so readily. It shows outdated features that may have been removed altogether or changed dramatically. It contains bugs and glitches that are the normal part of the development process and will NOT be present in the final code (or at least, most of them won't, hopefully!).
Thanks for your concern, it's always good to see such a strong community rallying around the developer they admire.
Keep it up and keep smiling!
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Stormhound, about that demo, what is functioning after all? Any battle is possible or not? Researching any tech? Building any ship? Terraform anything? |
To the bulk of that i can say........ NO! {either that, or its so hidden away, i cant find it.}
Well battle is possible if you follow the instructions to see a demo of it but other than that, it seems to get a game crashing bug everytime it may even look like combat.
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