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Sovereign
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A lot has happened in the past two weeks.
My father visited me two weeks ago, for a week, and my B-day was during that week. I'm sure most of you may remember me posting a short reply that week.
However, I was planning to post last week, but stuff came up again. I bet Fate is conspiring aganist me 
A lot of work, studying, errands, and a ton of meetings last week. 
I pray and hope I'll find the time to post something this week, no promises though. I don't want to keep breaking your expectations or ambition due to my absence due to tons of real life conflicts.
By the way, I've read up on the discussion threads, and I must say I'm getting disheartened with the TAF, TA, MI, and Sparta affair. I've noticed that authors are seeming to become more aggressive and "this is mine!" or "I want this" or "I'm right and you're wrong".
I'm not sure who's the "boss" or "director" or whatever of the BAC universe. Is it LMP (Mellian) or is it Sprayber? It seems to me that both of them seem to be at loggerheads and that doesn't bode well. (Again, no attempts to put down anyone here)
I'm going to keep University away from the messy war, and only become involved in wars that occur when University space is invaded, or its ships being attacked. The rest of the time, I'll be focusing on domestic affairs, plot-lines with Protectorate and Hive, exploration of new areas, finding alien ruins or races, etc.
Don't worry Historyguy and Sprayber, I'll keep supplying Sparta and Morganites with FTL parts, FTL trading, etc. but I won't become involved in the TA-TAF v.s. MI - Sparta - Drone conflict.
But don't worry Franky, I'm not dead  I'm still around!
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Mellian
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MAYBE i should abandon this, as I seem to be to work up over this...taking it to serious where it suppose to be a game to have fun. Right now, i don't seem to be having much fun.... and i don't like feeling that I am a stubborn b**ch that cannot collaborate and comprimise, or feel like i am trying to control everything. they are traits i Seriously don't want to have.............and hypocritical to what i am trying to achieve with myself. I already got removed from another game elsewhere for being stubborn and not open to comprise with my Society..............
I am not please with the Terran Alliance, TAF and so on... where they are going and so on... to many faults and missing details...... and wish i was able to participate in the story from the start..... things are not going as they should with the Terran Alliance. Also tired of repeating the same stuff again and again...and then continue having the impression that no one seem to have bothered reading my past posts.
I DO enjoy collaberating in interactive stories.....but for me personally, it is hard to play an unstable and unstructured game. Despite my attempts to achieve, it seem to be for nothing.... like what you can do or not with FTL. The pace of the game... and so on.....
Right now, i just feel like Resetting the Terran Alliance itself.... society and how TA is as to many faults right now, misunderstood and genrally mixed up. Or maybe just have Time warp and along with alterations to past history of the game........ Yes, i am perfectionist and a detail freak..... but i see the game as Art, to create such vibrant societies and then play them out............. I also don't have as much time for it either...well, more like not as much internet time for it...... yet, I am impatient and don't want to wait until August to get back to it again.....which by then my vision of TA, pirates, TAF and Kerensky will be twarted....................................... I also would like the Scions as well, which right now don't have much stuff for them....
I am such a detail freak that i get annoyed to have 20th century culture in the 28th century BAC, along with fashions.... I would think ties would of died out by then  have fashions more like babylon 5 EA.
anyway, I am just blabbing on......
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History Guy
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Reads too many books...
Oct 2001
time: 23:18
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Cyber-- Splendid!
Hello Sovereign, good to see you once again! I apologize if I have been the one to dishearten you, Sovereign. I intend to pull out of this war as soon as possible, in fact, and I trust as soon as Kerensky comes to a halt, we'll be holding some sort of peace conference, and as long as the Terrans go back, they can have their Capella. I trust Sprayber won't be going in for the kill, and Silence may well have to bat around some Earthers, but it shouldn't be too much. I think that a break in war would actually be quite refreshing, and would do service to the story.
Sprayber is the top banana here at BAC.
Sounds good, Sovereign. I too want to deal with some peaceful expansion. I don't think we should have all that many alien races stuffed around in the same area, as there really aren't that many habitable planets that scientists know about today at all. If you do stick in aliens, try doing primative races, like some of Franky's, or like the Sea Peoples, in other words, small groups who haven't event figured out how to get into space. Perhaps a discovery of a race with a group of empires and kingdoms on a single planet would be interesting.
LMP-- That's Okey-Dokey. Just don't go overboard. Some of us do find you a bit intimidating every so often, but it's nothing personal. 
I do hope you don't drop out. I also hope Mr. President and Kassiopeia don't drop out either.
But...hey! I like ties!
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Mr. President
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The leaves that are green turn to brown
Jul 2001
time: 15:18
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Let's just remind ourselves of what started my current beef:
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If there is to much ganging up and overconfidence on Chironian superiority, I will aggressively bring the Pirates to pounce on all openings, creating havoc within Morganite, Drone and Spartan systems. |
This is an outright threat to hijack the story if it does not proceed the way the poster wants it to. Note "I", not "Kane", will "bring" the Pirates to "create havoc", not "become involved" or "participate". This is not discussion of a plotline, this is blackmail. No-one else has done anything approaching this. Such threats are unacceptable, intolerable, and unconscionable, and if they are going to be a part of Beyond Alpha Centauri then I will have no part of this story.
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Frankychan
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In the Kingdom of Hawaii (CPA Member)
Sep 2001
time: 19:18
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*whoa, things are getting crazy in here*
Ok Let's address-
History Guy-Didn't catch that part about the Morgan fleet being wiped out.  *sigh* I guess we'll have to work something else out. The HEF is still there, having to make repairs on the command ship before they can leave. As for the comm, could you work it out w/Lonestar?
Cybergod- It might not be an alliance, but maybe a non-aggression pact....still not sure how to fit it in right now.
Lonestar- Good to see you're back. Sorry that I haven't replied to your message yet, but I'm trying to work out the kinks from the Samnos affair. Will get to your message soon. BTW, what do you call your people? For example Spartan Federaton=Spartans, GHE=Hive/Hivers/Hiverians, M.I.=Morgan's, University=University, Believer=Believers, etc. Do they call themselves Protectors, Protectorians, etc?
Sprayber- Ok, I'll keep the Hive colonization idea in mind...never thought about an independent world. Would it be primitive, pre/post industrial, or beginnings of space flight? I think if it is near Protectorate space, we'd have to talk it over w/Lonestar. A Hive colonization effort near Protectorate space might rub him the wrong way.
Sovereign-It's good to hear from ya! Well, it sounds like you've had a busy 2 weeks. Just do what ya gotta do and we'll see ya when ya come back.
Silence- nice to hear from u too. Started drafting a post concerning Believers (reply to loooong overdue message).
Mr. President-Don't leave, man! With you leaving, that would create a power vacuum that only Yang could fill! (joking) Seriously though, I like your unique view of the BAC universe and wanna see what happens to the temple. (maybe Yang and Adam's should hook up? She might make a great concubine!)
As for all the peaceful expansionists=Grrrr! *snooty English voice*To keep w/the spirit of the game, the Hive will remain an aggressive expansionist.*snooty English voice* We will Conquer and Build our way to enlightenment. But if a lush, unpopulated world presents itself, Yang would snatch it b4 those accursed Spartans or Protectorates get to it!
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History Guy
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Reads too many books...
Oct 2001
time: 23:18
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I agree with what you say, Sprayber. I personally would rather not leap forward a couple of years just yet, as I have some plots I'd like to develope, and I'm sure so does Kass and Mr. Prez. If everyone else wants to do a leap, I woun't argue.
What we could do is have Kerensky take Samnos and Naxos, but is ordered not to advance because of the Spartan and Drone prescense in the area. Then, with the lull, peace is established. Capella will be returned if the Cyclads are. After this, TA can ask for what it wants, unless it's too outrageous. Morgan is satisfied, InEn is destroyed. That's all he wanted.
As soon as we wrap up this little war, Morgan will do some expansion by peaceful methods. As for aliens, the Morgans only really deal with one, and that's the Sea Peoples (Cepheleens), and a really primative bunch they are.
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Frankychan
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In the Kingdom of Hawaii (CPA Member)
Sep 2001
time: 19:18
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*Yang contemplates possible consequences*
Myself, I would rather not have a time jump. Unfortunately, it seems the only possible solution. As for the amount of time, I propose anywhere from 5 to 20 years. But I would like all the authors to conclude important subplots or crucial points in their plot before making the jump. Faction relations should be discussed with involved authors b4 the jump.
As for other stuff: The world I'm thinking of would probably be post-industrial (for the challenge) and located near Spartan space. If the world was near Protectorate space, it would create too much of a hassle in the near future.
Side notes:
1)I want to see what happens to Delbar, as well as the trio of Greg, Filkins, and Mr. Sym. Also, if we time jump-what happens to Mr. Sym? I think he is a subcharacter that is important to the story....I have plans for him.
2) Comm-frequency possession can be omitted. If we jump, authors can just have a brief explanation on how they got the comm. (i.e. Yang's to Kessel, Morgan)
3) Factional relationships should indeed be discussed before and after the jump. (I have just opened up relationships w/UCSS)
4) Ground rules proposed by Sprayber are acceptable (and needed).
Hive & Conspiracy? Well...I never! Yang would never stoop so low as to  against people! 
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Mellian
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Okay, I will stay... but people, please keep in mind of various factors, FTL limits, and so on! Also please pay attention to what i say? I am getting tired of repeating the same questions...for some people, I answered 2-3 time since BAC started. I don't have the time for that. BAC seem to be heck of lot easier to get unrealistic and silly in comparison to Chiron Chronicles. Be aware that we are dealing with a 28th century humanity splitted into various factions, and so on, with different idealogies and histories. me seing 20th century stuff in BAC ruins the view i try to see the story in my mind as my mind gets jumpy over things like that... Personally, I don't know why ties still in fashion today, not even useful except for cutting some blood circulation to the head and so on... so I can see how ties would still be around in the 28th? Cigarettes is still around? I can't see SMAC people be able to get on that stuff and still have it by the 28th.... and then have aliens smoking cigs? not into Startrek clone races here anyway, silly stuff like that.............no big deal 
President, I am very very very sorry for sounding that way... I was stressed out, frustrated, and tired that night i wrote that.
I am all up for a Timewarp, a chance to reorganize and so on. Also agree we should resolve current happenings before doing so... but personally, I prefer changing some details about TA and what was said from Stormhill to be edited....
Now, to resolve the current matter... I thought we agreed that TA will capture three systems, two been more quicker to take where the Samnos/Naxos system took the longest...all three systems were to be attacked about the same time, not one after the other. I can go back and get the quotations of me and history discussing it in the discussion thread...i know where they are, as i have been through them looking for the Pirate intro. Like general and so on says, the three systems is crappy...so whats the difference in having TA in keeping them while MI keeps Capella? Now, thats I what I understood we agreed.... now, i notice kass, history and frank is discussing about the systems, where Hive takes Samnos? that wasn't part of the initial agreement i understood we had and I was also kept out of the loop...and TA wasn't represented and played the role they should have. And THEN, this transferring of systems appears, where I am like WTF??? since the idea came out, making the whole matter more complicated, making hard for TA to get the systems honorably without looking like a corrupted bad guys which some players pushed them to be. So, along with other things in life, I got Annoyed and Frustrated, this is not going the way it i was expecting to go.... I don't mean a set script for it to follow, i mean what i hoped for TA to achieve being twarted, which would utterlly embarrass TA's rep... and how the heck could they encourage indepedents to join TA then? Now, having EC declaring war on the Believers complicates things even more, which i seriously think that post should be edited. THIS WAR WASN"T SUPPOSE TO BE A TA vs ALL OF CHIRONIANS.
Anyway, how about this, TA gets two of the three systems quickly, and it is the Cyclanid system is taking longer to capture...the transferring happens before Cyclanid was completly captured, but about the same time the other two was captured...after bribing the Novans to join TA's side, which i will go in the pro and cons of why the Novans would...again. After receiving that message from Kessel, more like intercepted, Kerensky replies it, being the first time a Chironian leader ever had to deal with Diplo Comm wise. Kerensky sends that message that i sent, which I wish now to edit (taking out the not recongnizing the transfer and so on), kessel replies and then there ends up having discussion between the Spartan Leader and the TA Military Commander, completly understanding each other, being both respectible military leaders with many similiraties....discussion ends where both Ks understands each other sides and the consequences of each others options. They then made an agreement....but by the time they did, TAF was just about to land troops on Samnos along with EC ground force when TAF stoped...but EC continues and Hive ground units ignored TAF's threat and land troops as well which TAF will do nothing about. The second wave just about finish clearing the Orbital defences, with losses of course...when they stoped. Morganite forces notices and wondering what was going on, until they receive comm from the CEO and Sparta to cease fire....but both sides notice EC and Hive ignoring the cease fire. Just then that TAF decides, after more communication with Kessel from Kerensky concerning the annoying Hive and EC...Kessel gives TAF permission to clear the system of Hive (or simply the ground forces) while warning EC and arresting EC troops...ones who disobey and don't fight TAF at that point. about a week or two there is a peace conference somewhere (personally preferably not the Protectorate, except mayb if it happens only on the Protectorate ship). there was some iffy parts in the negociations concerning the recently captured systems and the confusion of transfer of them to the spartans, and wanting to get back in exchange for Capella back...but TA prefer keeping the three systems then giving them up for capella back, which is to far anyway. Sparta, being their policy to get things back by force if not diplomaticly or whatever, had to make an hard decision... cease fire as happen, is the systems worth trying to get back which would start up the war again? The Negociations is successful, while it cleared up many misunderstandings and pretty much setting future protocols when dealing with TA, which is unique as it is an alliance of various factions..while TA agrees to tighten grips on member actions, so they don't go off doing their own thing and causing trouble like InEn did....which the EC delegation had problems with. Also out of the Negocations, there is an agreement to officially establish embassies and so on, so lack of communication between sides don't happen again, like it did concerning the InEn situation and Kessel not getting any answer from TA. some War criminals from InEn were transferred to MI custody....where they find out what the high ups of InEn were upto, and why they were instigating war.
during the negociations, prisoners of war were exchanged...where MI gets survivors from Callisto attack surprisingly, which TA Council didn't know TAF had until that point...but they were treated by the new Geneva Conventions (i said new because ther may of had updates and modifications to it in the 2200s or 2300s). Oh, concerning the three systems, one agreement happened to curb to prevent SPartans policy to get their systems back and so on.... TA gains control of the systems, but will be open to morganite mining companies and so on....where they get 50% of resources which will in turn go to the Spartans in whatever agreement MI/SF as among themselves. Colonies like Samnos and Naxos will be open to the morganites people who left to return too and so on...but each colony, or together as Cyclanids, is sworn in as new member(s) into TA, so each or together get to have 3 reps at the TA Council..... hey, better then being treated as Captured and is a way for MI/SF to indirectly know what is going on in the TA Council plus having embassies whatever colonies in the other two systems can also be sworn as seperate members or together with Samnos/Naxos. They won't officially be part of MI or SF, but they will get some independence under the TA banner, as full fledge member(s). being sworn in as one member makes for sense what do you people think, enough of a comprimise? MI/SF will still have some influence in the three systems, and they will be protected by the treaty too. As for Capella, if the populace still there wants to stay, they can...but won't be longer part of TA or any members they were factionally affiliated too. people who escape Capella can return, but as MI citizens. whatever left of TAF forces in Capella will be told to return to Sol....but some may stay, dissapriving of TA's decision and become armed discontents in Capella will become a MI problem anywahow
anyway, what do you people think? i would have to edit, same with kass concerning stormhill and tremaine post, some recently past posts.
i would go on with the possible Timewarp ideas concerning TA, wait until tommorrow or afterthat to do that.
-LMP
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GeneralTacticus
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of Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2001
time: 15:18
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quote:
Oh, concerning the three systems, one agreement happened to curb to prevent SPartans policy to get their systems back and so on.... TA gains control of the systems, but will be open to morganite mining companies and so on....where they get 50% of resources which will in turn go to the Spartans in whatever agreement MI/SF as among themselves. Colonies like Samnos and Naxos will be open to the morganites people who left to return too and so on...but each colony, or together as Cyclanids, is sworn in as new member(s) into TA, so each or together get to have 3 reps at the TA Council..... hey, better then being treated as Captured and is a way for MI/SF to indirectly know what is going on in the TA Council plus having embassies whatever colonies in the other two systems can also be sworn as seperate members or together with Samnos/Naxos. They won't officially be part of MI or SF, but they will get some independence under the TA banner, as full fledge member(s). being sworn in as one member makes for sense what do you people think, enough of a comprimise? MI/SF will still have some influence in the three systems, and they will be protected by the treaty too. |
Sounds like a reasonable compromise to me (although of course I'm not the on who owned them), but according to this, what would happen if war broke out between MI and TA? I doubt that the population would be that keen about declaring war on Morgan...
Anyway, about the time warp. I think tha we should have one at some point, but there are I still some things I have to resolve, the biggest one being the Cadre civil war (speaking of which, we still need to work out some stuff w/ that, I'll need to post up the start of it).
EDIT: Mr President, I've done the next bit of the negotiations, and I suggest that you do the last bit of it. Meanwhile I'll do the civil war stuff.
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History Guy
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Reads too many books...
Oct 2001
time: 23:18
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The jump:
I have said that I, like Franky and Sprayber, would rather not have one, and if we do I'd only want to jump about two years. If we jump I'd like enough time to see Tacticus' Laekdaemon Civil War brought to an end, the Protectorate's advances on the Hive halted (sorry, Lonestar, but it's necessary!), the secrets of the temple revealed (or at least come closer to being revealed), the travels of Greg and Filkins and Sym to go through all the way, the trip that Sym makes to the Hive, I'd like to see what happens to Randius Zakharov (namely, I'd like to see him wake up from a coma he received a loooooong time ago), and I'd like to do more work in the sub-plot on Delbar and the Morgan's Hideaway Mobsters that really wouldn't work now after a jump. That's just my opinion, if everyone else here wants a jump, then I won't argue.
Sorry you are ill, Kassiopeia. Came through a nasty flu a few weeks back...
The Corporate Sector--
Morgan designates:
M6: The Cycladic System (gas planet Crete, moons Samnos and Naxos, pretty well defended due to the border with Terra)
M5: The Triumvir System (planets Crassus, Caesar, and Pompey, almost undefended, the only things here are small nutrient farms and mining colonies)
M4: The Aegyptii System (four planets, defended lightly)
M3: The Aegyptii System (II) (three planets, another sun, different orbital patterns than M4)
M2: The Gyyr System (named after Gyyr, the Cepheleen high king in antiquity, was discovered by Morganite scout ships under the command of a Cepheleen captain, hence the name, four small planets, fairly well-defended)
M1: The Morgan System (named after you-know-who, eight planets, largest system in the Corporate Sector, well-defended)
Franky-- If I had to choose for independent planet, I'd go for Concordia. Sounds OK to me.
LMP-- Here's the deal, you can have the three systems (it's nice there, you'll like it!) and I'll keep Capella. As for armed discontents, I've already got plans for them. 
Ahem, why wouldn't cigs be still around? Deirde brings tobacco over on the Unity, Morgan buys and plants it...and starts a monopoly on cigarette, cigar, pipe, and...hubbly-bubbly hookah production! I can see it now! It's feasible. As for aliens smoking it, they are just Cepheleens, they've been part of the Morgan Conglomerate for as long as any Cepheleen alive can remember, they've become very similiar to humans...heck they can even speak English with the help of an inserted chip in the throat to replace their missing vocal cords...
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15-04-2002 23:43
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I know people in Australia that would help me track you down. 
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