25-05-2002 04:48									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Faeelin Odd thought: If god made all of us, aren't we all the sons and daughters of god?

Yes, but you have to accept the relationship to get the inheritance.

	25-05-2002 04:49									#32
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"He also is a pacifist who would fight when necessary. "

"Think not that I came to bring peace. I bring not peace, but a sword."

(Quote from the Man)

	25-05-2002 04:51									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Andemagne what if humanity just got new chance/lesson, no armageddon? (that rhymes )

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	25-05-2002 09:51									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler I don't think so. God is a god of love. Satan is a god of hate. The attack on the WTC is an act of the son of which of the above gods?

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Based on Genesis and Exodus the WTC would be a rather minor act by Jehovah's standards. He killed nearly everyone on Earth according to the Bible. He killed by the thousands many times and he killed the innocents along with the allegedly guilty.

Who does the Bible say Satan killed? No one. Which one is a god of love? The mass murderer or the bringer of light.

	26-05-2002 12:17									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Faeelin Eh. The son of god would be the guy who does nothing but good deeds, preach love towards fellow man, and deride the corruption of the establishment. He also is a pacifist who would fight when necessary.

Did you read the same bible that I did?

	26-05-2002 12:44									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Andemagne If (Christian) God walked Earth again, would we Believe?

Again?

	26-05-2002 13:18									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Maybe he has, but was branded by Republicans as a left-wing commie hippie long-haired weirdo and lynched...

I don't know, there will always be unbelievers. There are those who witnessed Jesus' miracles back in the day and still didn't believe.
Perhaps Jesus will finally be the one to lead a worldwise socialist utopia one day. He is going to create about 1000 years of utopia before earth finally ends ya know. So Who knows, but hopefully guys like Che and I will have a pretty decent system intact before then.

	26-05-2002 13:51									#38
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People who were given apt reason to believe would do so. It takes more for some people than others, which is one of the problems with 'believe and be saved'. If God knows everything, then he must know how to reach any individual and give them reason to believe.

	26-05-2002 14:55									#39
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider I don't know, there will always be unbelievers. There are those who witnessed Jesus' miracles back in the day and still didn't believe.

Were there any miracles? There is not a bit of contemporary support for them, unless the Bible is accurate, and cosidering the ambiguity and contradictions in it I see no reason to accept it as an accurate representation of what happened. Many of the claimed miracles in the Bible are similar to what was claimed for other religious figures of the time.

	26-05-2002 16:27									#40
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	26-05-2002 16:49									#41
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I first used that when I was had to change names on the Maximum PC Forum. It goes well with Hardrede. Its from a site on the Battle of Hastings. I was actually looking for picture of Kirk Douglas in his helm in the Vikings but I couldn't find one.

	26-05-2002 16:56									#42
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Let's assume that this jesus thing would be true... then.. do you think jesus knew who he really was when he was young?
I mean.. if he didn't.. then who knows, jesus maybe among us already but doesn't know it!

I think you can count me out.

	26-05-2002 18:53									#43
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He knew by the time he was 12 at least - viz. the visit to Jerusalem, where he stayed behind debating in the temple because it was his "Father's house."

	26-05-2002 18:58									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Chowlett He knew by the time he was 12 at least - viz. the visit to Jerusalem, where he stayed behind debating in the temple because it was his "Father's house."

Isn't that in the Apocrypha?

	26-05-2002 19:03									#45
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Nope - hang on while I look it up...

	26-05-2002 19:05									#46
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Luke 2:41-50

	26-05-2002 21:55									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Chowlett "I refuse to prove to you that I exist" says God. "For Proof denies Faith, and without Faith I am nothing." "Ah" says Man, "but the Babel Fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? Nothing that useful could have evolved by chance. It proves You exist, so by Your own argument You don't. QED." "Oh," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and dissapears in a puff of logic. "That was easy." says Man, and, as an encore, goes on to prove that black is equal to white, and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.

Yes, of course! How could I have been so blind?

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	27-05-2002 05:03									#48
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Isn't that in the Apocrypha?

The Apocrypha are all from the Old Testament time period. They aren't in the Jewish version of the Bible. They were in the first version of the King James and of course are still in the Catholic versions.

	27-05-2002 05:17									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Ethelred Were there any miracles? There is not a bit of contemporary support for them, unless the Bible is accurate, and cosidering the ambiguity and contradictions in it I see no reason to accept it as an accurate representation of what happened. Many of the claimed miracles in the Bible are similar to what was claimed for other religious figures of the time.

It is my belief that Jesus Christ used chakra to heal many of the ill or injured people he came across.

	27-05-2002 05:32									#50
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun It is my belief that Jesus Christ used chakra to heal many of the ill or injured people he came across.

Ever see the documentary Marjoe? He did the same exact healing stuff that every other tent and TV preacher does. While doing drugs and two girls at a time. Medical miracles aren't miracles. Just low probability events.

Raising the dead is not an exclusive claim of christians so I simply don't see any reason to believe it happened. Apparently dead people getting up again isn't a miracle either. It happens and no miracle is needed since the person wasn't really dead.

	27-05-2002 05:33									#51
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...of course, it could just be that stories being passed on by word of mouth and then being rewritten and reinterpreted so many times over the millennia could mean it is all nonsense alternatively. You never know, someone at their stuff now could be recorded as a deity in millennia to come by distortion of the true facts...

	27-05-2002 05:53									#52
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This is a question we don't need to consider. The word of God says that when Jesus returns he will return as a Prince in clouds of glory and all men shall see him simultaneously. There will be no question of wether it is Jesus' return or not. All men shall see him and 144,000 living persons will be saved and lifted from the Earth, the rest shall perish.

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	27-05-2002 05:58									#53
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144,000? That's very specific

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quote: The word of God says that when Jesus returns he will return as a Prince in clouds of glory and all men shall him simultaneously. There will be no question of wether it is Jesus' return or not.

It also said that this would before the generation that Jesus was speaking to would pass. They passed many centuries ago.

quote: All men shall see him and 144,000 living persons will be saved and lifted from the Earth, the rest shall perish.

Nice. Another savage and unwarranted slaughter of most of the human race.

Even the JWs aren't quite this crazy. Maybe its because there are more than 144,000 JWs. Or you are a JW and don't know your own religion.

This is just one more good reason to be thankfull the Bible isn't accurate. Humans weren't murdered by a psychophathic god via a world wide flood so I guess we won't be murdered in the future for not being one of the 144,000.

	27-05-2002 06:05									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Carver This is a question we don't need to consider. The word of God says that when Jesus returns he will return as a Prince in clouds of glory and all men shall him simultaneously. There will be no question of wether it is Jesus' return or not. All men shall see him and 144,000 living persons will be saved and lifted from the Earth, the rest shall perish.

That is a wrong interpretation.
A few paraghraphs before it says that millions will be saved.

The 144.000 would be like the purest ones, the virgins who choose to follow christ and committed no sins etc etc.

	27-05-2002 06:09									#56
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I really can't see myself believing in a Christian God, though here is a quote I like that kinda fits in:
"God's in His Heaven, All's Right With the World"

	27-05-2002 06:22									#57
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Just to be clear, many people who followed God will be killed by war and persecution before the arrival of Jesus. Millions will be saved. 144,000 is just the number of those alive at the time of his arrival that will be saved.

	27-05-2002 06:43									#58
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I do not believe in that Jesus Christ literally resurrected from the dead.

However, I do believe that he used chakra -- today's modern televanelists are corrupt by taking advantage of guillible people -- there's a difference from what Jesus Christ did thousands of years ago, and what corrupt televangelists are doing today.

	27-05-2002 06:45									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Kublai-Khan That is a wrong interpretation. A few paraghraphs before it says that millions will be saved. The 144.000 would be like the purest ones, the virgins who choose to follow christ and committed no sins etc etc.

he might have some trouble finding this many

	27-05-2002 07:13									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Carver Just to be clear, many people who followed God will be killed by war and persecution before the arrival of Jesus. Millions will be saved. 144,000 is just the number of those alive at the time of his arrival that will be saved.

Just to be as clear as the Bible was. This was ALL supposed to have happened in the lifetime of the people listening to the prophecy.

Lots of other false prophecies in the Bible as well. There is no reason to believe there was a first time so it is still the case the there can't be a second time till there is a first.

Even by your reinterpretation of the Bible you still have Jehovah engaging in more pathological conduct. Killing millions or billions is still psychotic either way.