30-05-2002 02:14									#61
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This one goes right up there with Dan Quayle's famous "Too bad I don't speak Latin" when discussing Latin America.

-Arrian

	30-05-2002 02:24									#62
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well our PM doesn't make these kind of mistakes
but he startles (sp?) a lot!

he seems so anxious when speaking he mixes up words sometimes and the result varies from funny syntax to downright inaudible phrases...

	30-05-2002 02:34									#63
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quote: Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior Different conception ? What do u mean ? Black couldn't be black in Brazil ? --- "Noir, c'est noir, il n'y a plus d'espoire !"

Historically, Latin Americans had less rigid classification of the different races than one that was/is used by North Americans.

Brazilians probably have dozens of different gradients for the word and classification of "black."
Using black in the North American sense in a Latin American country, would be seen as a gross over-simplification or generalizaton.

	30-05-2002 02:54									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin Hey, I'm also picking my nose when I think no one's watching. That's a sign of great intelligence, humour and charm!

And I'm sure you have never picked your nose. Of course maybe not in front of a camera........

	30-05-2002 04:24									#65
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Historically, Latin Americans had less rigid classification of the different races than one that was/is used by North Americans. Brazilians probably have dozens of different gradients for the word and classification of "black." Using black in the North American sense in a Latin American country, would be seen as a gross over-simplification or generalizaton.

I had the impression that a large part, if not the majority, of those considered Black in north america were also of mixed heritage.

	30-05-2002 04:38									#66
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They're less mixed than in Brazil. Most blacks in the US are less than 25% white.

But his point has to do more with how people identify themselves. Except for Luisiana (which had a fair amount of mullatos), most states in the South had the "one drop" rule. Meaning if you were black at all, you were treated as black. This is different from other coutnries (Brazil....heck even South Africa) which although they had discrimination, varied it according to how black someone was.

	30-05-2002 23:09									#67
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Thanks for clarifying, GP.
That was my point -- obviously, there is no such thing as a pure race anywhere in the world.

But the socially constructed CONCEPT and PERCEPTION of race is different from one culture to another.

	31-05-2002 08:17									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia It still amazes me that he got elected.

Need I remind you people that he wasn't elected. Gore was elected, but it took some serious fraud and meddling by the SCUSA to make Bush Pres. I can't believe that America rolled over and took him up the butt.

A real country would have gone on strike and protested until the person who won the election was inaugerated. Not that he respects democracy either. Hence the fact that we have a government that refused to warn the American people about an increased threat of hijackings.

	31-05-2002 08:23									#69
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I can't believe that America rolled over and took him up the butt.

For some reason, I do NOT like that analogy.

	31-05-2002 09:51									#70
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Need I remind you people that he wasn't elected. Gore was elected, but it took some serious fraud and meddling by the SCUSA to make Bush Pres. I can't believe that America rolled over and took him up the butt. A real country would have gone on strike and protested until the person who won the election was inaugerated. Not that he respects democracy either. Hence the fact that we have a government that refused to warn the American people about an increased threat of hijackings.

He had the count on both the first, second and third recounts. The Democrats kept trying to come up with new recounts. But Bush won all the counts.

	31-05-2002 10:30									#71
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quote: Originally posted by The Vagabond BTW, Brazil holds the largest mulatto population in the world. A true example of racial harmony. No blacks, no whites, just mulattos. And mulattas.

RACIST!
There is only one human race, and we all belong to it.


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	31-05-2002 11:14									#72
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun For some reason, I do NOT like that analogy.

You know, gays aren't the only people who take things up the butt. Nor are they the only people who enjoy it. However, when it's a prickly thornbush like Dubya, no one does.

	31-05-2002 11:26									#73
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara You know, gays aren't the only people who take things up the butt. Nor are they the only people who enjoy it. However, when it's a prickly thornbush like Dubya, no one does.

Never said it does not apply to hetero women, did I??

I just said that I did not like this analogy --- what would have happened, had I read this, after just getting done with a heavy meal??

	31-05-2002 11:46									#74
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quote: 'Do you have blacks, too?'

Didn't Shrub run his campaign on the idea that he's a foreign policy expert on Latin America? I can imagine his discussions with Fox: 'Wow you have Spanish-speakers too? I thought y'all speak Latin down here.'

I know we all like to make fun of Shrub for accidently saying the wrong word sometimes, but damn, this shows some genuinely incredible ignorance.

	31-05-2002 18:32									#75
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Glad to see I'm not the only foolish snob around here.

	31-05-2002 22:11									#76
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You are a foolish snob, Dr. Hook. And we're not. We just think this thing is friggen hilarious.

	31-05-2002 23:50									#77
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quote: Originally posted by aaglo RACIST! There is only one human race, and we all belong to it.

What? I almost openly declare my admiration for mulattos, and yet you call me a racist?

	01-06-2002 00:01									#78
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quote: Originally posted by GP You are a foolish snob, Dr. Hook. And we're not. We just think this thing is friggen hilarious.

Oh, I think it's hilarious, too. I also think that it's pathetic.

	01-06-2002 03:20									#79
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Yeah, well...that figures based on your politics, Guy.

	01-06-2002 03:23									#80
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It is kind of pathetic, though...

	01-06-2002 03:25									#81
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Well my politics wont get in the way of me saying dubya is an ignorant fool.

	01-06-2002 03:34									#82
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A lot of those guys are not brainiacs. Dubya is pretty good at showing it though...

	01-06-2002 03:38									#83
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quote: Originally posted by GP A lot of those guys are not brainiacs. Dubya is pretty good at showing it though...

Yeah, he should learn to hide it like Gore.

	02-06-2002 06:00									#84
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All these pages and no one checked snopes yet?

http://www.snopes2.com/quotes/brazil.htm

quote: Is it true? Until something more definitive comes along one way or the other, consider that: ------The item is short on specifics (such as the date of the meeting at which Bush's gaffe supposedly occurred) and has been reported in only a few foreign news outlets, all several months after the fact. Bush and Cardoso did meet in the Oval Office back in November 2001, and the meeting was attended by national security advisor Condoleezza Rice, but the earliest citing of this story we've found so far, in O Estado de S. Paulo, didn't appear until 28 April 2002. Of course, it's certainly possible that President Cardoso was being diplomatic in refraining from speaking of the incident at the time and therefore didn't talk about it on the record until months later, although none of the reports we've seen specifically identifies who told the press about it. It looks like people are assuming President Cardoso did because of his "learning phase" comment, but the accounts don't identify him as the source of the story. --------Of all the other people present at the meeting between Bush and Cardoso -- Secretary of State Colin Powell; Chief of Staff Andrew Card; White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer; Deputy Assistant to the President for International Economic Affairs and Deputy National Security Advisor Gary Edson; Acting Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs Lino Gutierrez; Principal Deputy Assistant to the Vice President for National Security Affairs Ambassador Eric Edelman; and Ambassador John Maisto, NSC Senior Advisor on Latin American Affairs -- that Condoleezza Rice should be the one to intervene and fix up Bush's embarrassing inquiry (a black woman with superior knowledge coming to the aid of a "racist" white man in trouble) seems a little too perfectly ironic. ---------The final comment, attributed to Cardoso, that "regarding Latin America, Bush was still in his 'learning phase,'" is rather reminiscent of a joke told about Vice-President Dan Quayle in 1989: that Quayle said, "I was recently on a tour of Latin America, and the only regret I have was that I didn't study Latin harder in school so I could converse with those people." (The essence of the joke was soon put into Quayle's mouth when it quickly mutated into a claim that he actually had said those words, and the joke has been widely cited as a "real" quote ever since).

So, it boils down to: "No one really knows if that happen, but it is that interesting that anti-George Bush site gwbush.com broke the "story"."