02-06-2002 02:44									#61
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It must suck to live in Europe with that humor.

quote: It's the non-plot comics that are lame.

Like, totally!
How could comedy strips compare to the SueEllen/Tommy afair in ComicStrip1? I swear MaryJane was totally jealous of her!

What do you think?!

	02-06-2002 02:46									#62
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A book is a glorified soap opera. How is it different?

The reason it is different because once the story ends, it ends. You can go through the story in one sitting. It is self-contained. In the case of Electric Sheep, even the visual style differs wildly from comic to comic: compare Saturnalia, Apocamon, Shapeshifter, , and Overheard @ the Rave. When I Am King has no names for its characters, no text at all. It is all visual.

Sure, if you're the kind of person that doesn't read for pleasure beyond poorly-written comedy books, who prefers Naked Gun to Citizen Kane, who would rather listen to Britney than Tom Waits, go ahead. Stay bored.

	02-06-2002 02:46									#63
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Personally, I prefer humorous plot-comics.

	02-06-2002 02:46									#64
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Stefu, is Red Meat the really violent one?

	02-06-2002 02:48									#65
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Red Meat isn't particularily violent. It's just twisted. Parking Lot is Full is quite violent. And even more twisted. Too bad it's over.

	02-06-2002 02:49									#66
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quote: Originally posted by JohnIII A book is a glorified soap opera. How is it different?

A good book does not usually come in regular installments and does not feature shallow characters and plots that people love to feel intellectual about while trying to analyze them.

quote: The reason it is different because once the story ends, it ends. You can go through the story in one sitting. It is self-contained. In the case of Electric Sheep, even the visual style differs wildly from comic to comic: compare Saturnalia, Apocamon, Shapeshifter, , and Overheard @ the Rave. When I Am King has no names for its characters, no text at all. It is all visual.

The vast majority of plot-comics are near-daily installments of the same old **** over and over again. The fanbase of said comics are amusing to me, because they don't realize they're reading a stylized soap opera.

quote: Sure, if you're the kind of person that doesn't read for pleasure beyond poorly-written comedy books, who prefers Naked Gun to Citizen Kane, who would rather listen to Britney than Tom Waits, go ahead. Stay bored.

I don't read for pleasure, period. Only books I read are technical books.

And I didn't like Naked Gun or Citizen Kane.

I don't like "stories" as most people tend to do. There's no real point to them as I see it.

	02-06-2002 02:51									#67
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Whoops, I was thinking of a different one.

	02-06-2002 02:52									#68
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"I don't like "stories" as most people tend to do. There's no real point to them as I see it."


Could it be?

Have we got the writer of the 'Planet of the Apes' re-make right here on Apolyton?

I like Sinfest.

	02-06-2002 02:53									#69
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quote: It must suck to live in Europe with that humor.

Canada's responsible for Jim Carrey, remember.

quote: shallow characters

quote: same old **** over and over again.

Having fun describing Penny Arcade?

	02-06-2002 02:54									#70
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quote: A good book does not usually come in regular installments and does not feature shallow characters and plots that people love to feel intellectual about while trying to analyze them.

No, no, no. These comics are not regularly updated. They are finished articles. The characters do not follow from series to series.

quote: The vast majority of plot-comics are near-daily installments of the same old **** over and over again. The fanbase of said comics are amusing to me, because they don't realize they're reading a stylized soap opera.

Again, I don't like the near-daily ones. This really is a pathetic troll.

quote: I don't read for pleasure, period. Only books I read are technical books.

Explains a lot.

	02-06-2002 02:54									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu Canada's responsible for Jim Carrey, remember.

Who was a great comedian for those into farces.

quote: Having fun describing Penny Arcade?

First you say it has no plot, then you're saying the plot is the same over and over?

Is this Finnish logic?

And of course Penny Arcade has shallow characters. The thing is, they don't pretend otherwise! There's no storyline to it.

	02-06-2002 02:55									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu Canada's responsible for Jim Carrey, remember

Have you ever seen The Kids in the Hall (not the movies) or This Hour has 22 Minutes? We only export the shite to the States...

	02-06-2002 02:56									#73
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He didn't mention plot in that last post.

	02-06-2002 02:56									#74
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quote: Again, I don't like the near-daily ones. This really is a pathetic troll.

I'm not talking about you -- I'm talking about the majority of plot comics online.

quote: Explains a lot.

Just don't think you're superior for being one of those pseudo-intellectuals who enjoys reading crap for the sake of reading.

	02-06-2002 02:56									#75
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Actually, I really enjoyed Carrey's performances in the Truman Show and Man on the Moon. The latter in particular was a damn fine performance.

	02-06-2002 02:57									#76
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I didn't include anything about plot in your quote. I just took the part saying "same old **** over and over again." Sounds pretty much like Penny Arcade.

Besides, I don't read plot-comics just for soap opera. Good plot-comics (Sluggy, fr.ex) have both a plot and good jokes. Penny Arcade has neither. It's as simple as that.

	02-06-2002 02:57									#77
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quote: Originally posted by JohnIII He didn't mention plot in that last post.

But he took the quote out of context.

As a pseudo-intellectual you should have picked that up.

	02-06-2002 02:58									#78
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Someone find me a good joke from Sluggy. I've never seen one on there in my life.

	02-06-2002 02:58									#79
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quote: I'm not talking about you -- I'm talking about the majority of plot comics online.

Which is completely irrelevant to what I am saying.

quote: Just don't think you're superior for being one of those pseudo-intellectuals who enjoys reading crap for the sake of reading.

I am neither intellectual nor pseudo-intellectual. You should have worked that out.

	02-06-2002 02:58									#80
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quote: Originally posted by JohnIII Which is completely irrelevant to what I am saying.

So why did you respond to it if it wasn't relevant to what you were saying?

quote: I am neither intellectual nor pseudo-intellectual. You should have worked that out.

One might think otherwise with quotes such as:

quote: Sure, if you're the kind of person that doesn't read for pleasure beyond poorly-written comedy books, who prefers Naked Gun to Citizen Kane, who would rather listen to Britney than Tom Waits, go ahead. Stay bored.

	02-06-2002 02:59									#81
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quote: The fanbase of said comics are amusing to me, because they don't realize they're reading a stylized soap opera.

This, I agree with. Of course, it has nothing to do with what I was saying, but still...

	02-06-2002 03:00									#82
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I don't equate enjoying art with any kind of intellectual prowess, Asher. Feeling inferior?

As I recall, you were the one who started the irrelevancies. I explained what I meant by plot comics, you ignored it. Then proceeded to argue with a definition that you made up.

	02-06-2002 03:01									#83
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quote: Originally posted by JohnIII I don't equate enjoying art with any kind of intellectual prowess, Asher. Feeling inferior?

Your quote implied the people who do not enjoy movies like Citizen Kane are inferior. That's the point.

quote: As I recall, you were the one who started the irrelevancies. I explained what I meant by plot comics, you ignored it. Then proceeded to argue with a definition that you made up.

I ignored it because your definition isn't what I was talking about.

I was talking mostly about comics like Sluggy, in response to Stefu.

	02-06-2002 03:05									#84
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Stefu, how can you even criticize Penny Arcade's art and comedy? Have you even SEEN this latest sluggy strip?

	02-06-2002 03:06									#85
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We interupt this comic-fest for the following important announcement

quote: Originally posted by Asher A good book does not usually come in regular installments...

Are you familiar with publishing practices of the 19th century, particularly those employed by Dickens?

Serialization does not a soap opera make.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread...

	02-06-2002 03:07									#86
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Are you familiar with publishing practices of the 19th century, particularly those employed by Dickens? Serialization does not a soap opera make. We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread...

Not a clue, but I don't see what that has to do with anything since we don't live in the 19th century.

	02-06-2002 03:07									#87
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quote: A plot comic is a glorified soap opera.

You,k in direct response to this.

quote: This isn't some strip-a-day nonsense: this is a succession of panels, with text asides, that make a damn good story.

	02-06-2002 03:16									#88
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Asher, you said a good book does not usually come in regular installments . That is false. Many good books have been first shown to the public by being serialized in newspapers or other periodicals.

Many things are serialized. That does not make them soap operas. Soap operas are overly dramitised stories about trivial things in everyday life. They are produced for the purpose of selling, you guessed it, soap.

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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Asher, you said a good book does not usually come in regular installments . That is false. Many good books have been first shown to the public by being serialized in newspapers or other periodicals.

I said "usually". Most good books do not become serialized.

quote: Many things are serialized. That does not make them soap operas. Soap operas are overly dramitised stories about trivial things in everyday life. They are produced for the purpose of selling, you guessed it, soap.

Did you see the latest Sluggy thread I posted in here?
Tell me that's not a soap opera.

	02-06-2002 03:21									#90
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On the other hand, tell me this (incomplete) is a soap opera.