12-08-2002 16:43									#61
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quote: Originally posted by DeepO Lucilla, IIRC mobilization is only possible after nationalism, I think a middle age GA is hard to combine with mobilization DeepO

Oops, true....

	12-08-2002 19:25									#62
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Thesues, "I'm not very good at the palace jumping bit, which this map clearly called for..."

Maybe a thread on the the fine points would help. All I do is find a city on a river near where I want the palace jump to land. Then start the FP near the original capital and, as it concludes, if needed, pop out some settlers or workers from cities that would compete with the target location. (Admittedly, this scientific procedure once landed the new palace in the same city as the just-built FP -- didn't know that mess was even possible.)

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	12-08-2002 23:48									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Merciless I mean 'disadvantageous' in a strategic sense. For example: you are low on research capabilities, miss important strategic resources, lack populations, or/and fall behind in cultures.

Mobilization can do wonders to give yourself a production boost. As long as you do not want to build anything but those things allowed under mobilization and you are planning a war soon, mobilize. You'll be able to wage war more quickly and more decisively. As soon as you get a peace treaty or eliminate your opponent you will automatically drop out of mobilization. If you are worried about culture flips, you might choose to not occupy the cities, parking units outside them and retaking every time there is a flip. Flips happen on your turn, so the enemy only gets one defender when it returns to him.

Mobilization is a win/win situation in my book, as long as I am not trying to pursue any kind of builder activity while I am at war.

	13-08-2002 00:08									#64
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quote: Originally posted by jshelr Thesues, "I'm not very good at the palace jumping bit, which this map clearly called for..." Maybe a thread on the the fine points would help. All I do is find a city on a river near where I want the palace jump to land. Then start the FP near the original capital and, as it concludes, if needed, pop out some settlers or workers from cities that would compete with the target location. (Admittedly, this scientific procedure once landed the new palace in the same city as the just-build FP -- didn't know that mess was even possible.)

Is palace jumping still considered a good thing to do? I've still never done it - meaning abandon my original capitol. I have rushed the Palace in a new location with a GL, but that's not the same.

BTW, very fun thread to read through again.

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I wouldn't hold up my view as state of the art, but building the FP near the current capital is very efficient in that you are using a core, corruption-free city to get the job done quickly.

The jumping part is not that difficult to plan either.

A GL is definitely easier and saves the shield cost in the core city at a minimum, probably also making precise FP positioning possible. But the jump is definitely in my toolkit and used quite frequently.

	13-08-2002 04:37									#66
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Yes, mobilization is great for those last three years before a spaceship launch.

However- should wartime mobilization increase the likelihood of generating a great leader?

Or is that just a stupid philosophical question?

	13-08-2002 06:21									#67
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I don't think mobilization increases GLs appearing, but what has always bothered me is that I don't know if it increases War Weariness or not. So far, the few times I used it it didn't seem to have an effect on WW, but I'm not sure...

DeepO

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quote: Originally posted by dawidge Mobilization can do wonders to give yourself a production boost. As long as you do not want to build anything but those things allowed under mobilization and you are planning a war soon, mobilize. You'll be able to wage war more quickly and more decisively. As soon as you get a peace treaty or eliminate your opponent you will automatically drop out of mobilization. If you are worried about culture flips, you might choose to not occupy the cities, parking units outside them and retaking every time there is a flip. Flips happen on your turn, so the enemy only gets one defender when it returns to him. Mobilization is a win/win situation in my book, as long as I am not trying to pursue any kind of builder activity while I am at war.

hi ,

indeed it can , .....

and one thing you can do with Mob is to build units , and disband them in places that need a courthouse or so , or police station , ....just to get some shields fast

and while at it , when you take a city , 8 out of 10 there aint something in those places you take or get , so disband your old units there to get some things fast

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	14-08-2002 21:50									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus Is palace jumping still considered a good thing to do? I've still never done it - meaning abandon my original capitol. I have rushed the Palace in a new location with a GL, but that's not the same. BTW, very fun thread to read through again.

Depends on how much you care about the accumulated culture built up by your former palace. It'll get lost if you move it to another city.

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Does it? I find that hard to believe. If I destroy a civ completely except for one city, its culture will stagnate, but won't diminish. So why would the accumalated culture of a palace be lost? I can understand it has to start from 1 again, where a 1000 year old palace generates 2 culture, but destroying that would only mean less culture gain, and not a diminishing of culture...

DeepO

	16-08-2002 00:03									#71
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quote: Originally posted by DeepO Does it? I find that hard to believe. If I destroy a civ completely except for one city, its culture will stagnate, but won't diminish. So why would the accumalated culture of a palace be lost? I can understand it has to start from 1 again, where a 1000 year old palace generates 2 culture, but destroying that would only mean less culture gain, and not a diminishing of culture... DeepO

hi ,

, the culture value of what is gone (age) seems to be lost

have a nice day