06-06-2002 00:03									#31
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Reefer addict, I did not disband any units from any screen at any time. I don't recall ever in any Civilization III disbanding units.

If shields do not carryover, why are there forty shields in the build box?

Last edited by Ned on 06-06-2002 at 00:46

	06-06-2002 00:34									#32
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ned if you never disband units and had 40 sheilds in that box, you either had automated workers cutting down forest or a bug. ive played 100 civ3 games and have never seen carry-over sheilds.

	06-06-2002 00:43									#33
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Ned,

this is getting stranger... as reefer addict noted, carrying over shields should not happen. Or did they change the rules with last patch? You rushed the solar plant, so had an excess of 70 shields, is there a rule that says you can keep half of that on next improvement? Next time I'll play I'll certainly look into that.

At least everybody agrees it has something to do with those shields. It might be a bug, but don't go crying:"BUG BUG" before it has been determined this is not a game mechanic

However, just setting the city to wealth, changing it right back to your space ship component should be the same effect as what you anticipate: no shields to start from, and being able to start the component.

DeepO

	06-06-2002 00:46									#34
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BTW reefer addict: cutting down a forest can't be it, look at the save, all the surrounding terrain is fully improved, without any worker on it. That can't happen in one turn (you can chop and improve, but then the workers used their movement points)

DeepO

	06-06-2002 00:51									#35
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I am using the current patch.

I also noticed the same phenomena even if I did not rush build a facility. I had to build a unit, like a tank, before I could build a spaceship component.

Tonight I'll check my current games to see if I am getting carryover shields when I build facilities.

You guys might want to independently check.

BTW, I am using XP.

	06-06-2002 00:52									#36
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hi ,

maybe its IFE , ...........

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	06-06-2002 00:58									#37
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I don't know if this is the same, but I was building a certain component in one city, and I wanted to get ahead so I tried to build the same one in another city figuring I would switch. It wouldn't let me build the same component, but when I went back to the orginal city and changed it, it now allowed me to build it in the second city.

RAH

	06-06-2002 01:15									#38
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rah, That's not the issue here. Download the file and see.

	06-06-2002 01:17									#39
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quote: Originally posted by rah I don't know if this is the same, but I was building a certain component in one city, and I wanted to get ahead so I tried to build the same one in another city figuring I would switch. It wouldn't let me build the same component, but when I went back to the orginal city and changed it, it now allowed me to build it in the second city. RAH

That isn't the same. This is normal, his wasn't.

	06-06-2002 01:17									#40
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rah, that's normal. You can only build one instance of a small wonder at any time, so if you want to change, you have to do it in such a way that at every time there's at most one city who builds the wonder

and it couldn't be IFE if there are no forest chopped down (provided IFE still stands for Infinite Forest Exploit)

DeepO

	06-06-2002 01:19									#41
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hi ,

Ned did you change government , ........
or sold a building , ...."converted to shields" , .......

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	06-06-2002 01:19									#42
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You have the wrong saying next to Sharon's picture. IF you are going to use the Israeli's you have to say something like, "My words are backed up with nuclear weapons."

Israel has the bomb, not chemical or biological weapons.

You could say "My words are backed up with armored bulldozers and tanks, and an itchy trigger finger!"

	06-06-2002 01:20									#43
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quote: Originally posted by DeepO rah, that's normal. You can only build one instance of a small wonder at any time, so if you want to change, you have to do it in such a way that at every time there's at most one city who builds the wonder and it couldn't be IFE if there are no forest chopped down (provided IFE still stands for Infinite Forest Exploit) DeepO

hi ,

it could be IFE , if the workers are on Auto , .....

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	06-06-2002 01:22									#44
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quote: Originally posted by panag it could be IFE , if the workers are on Auto , .....

No it couldn't, look at the safe. As explained in one of my post above: there are no workers surrounding the city, so it can't be that they just finished chopping wood and improving the terrain, AND moving away, all in one turn.

DeepO

	06-06-2002 01:22									#45
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quote: Originally posted by lorddread You have the wrong saying next to Sharon's picture. IF you are going to use the Israeli's you have to say something like, "My words are backed up with nuclear weapons." Israel has the bomb, not chemical or biological weapons. You could say "My words are backed up with armored bulldozers and tanks, and an itchy trigger finger!"

hi ,

keep to the topic , .........

and what about tear gazzzzz , ......

and many more examples , ......

want a free cookie , .......read sample , they are combat proven , ...

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	06-06-2002 01:27									#46
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quote: Originally posted by DeepO No it couldn't, look at the safe. As explained in one of my post above: there are no workers surrounding the city, so it can't be that they just finished chopping wood and improving the terrain, AND moving away, all in one turn. DeepO

hi ,

they could move away , or if they are on Auto , disbanded at the same spot , ........

there is a guy from the North of europe , he had win98 in his language , and then upgraded to xp , he had these problems to , ....when he got a full xp edition it worked fine , ....

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	06-06-2002 01:31									#47
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quote: Originally posted by panag they could move away , or if they are on Auto , disbanded at the same spot , ........

But if they just chopped forest, they can't move anymore, can't disband, just stay there...until next turn

Plus, do auto workers disband themselves? cool

quote: there is a guy from the North of europe , he had win98 in his language , and then upgraded to xp , he had these problems to , ....when he got a full xp edition it worked fine , ....

That sounds more like the reason

DeepO

	06-06-2002 01:34									#48
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quote: Originally posted by DeepO But if they just chopped forest, they can't move anymore, can't disband, just stay there...until next turn Plus, do auto workers disband themselves? cool That sounds more like the reason DeepO

hi ,

this guy had these problems , ......Auto workers killing themselfs in the same turn , you saw them fly by your nose , .......

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	06-06-2002 01:35									#49
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hi ,

Ned , you are on Auto SAVE , got the 4 ones from before this SAVe aswell , ........

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	06-06-2002 02:19									#50
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Well panag, if you have a clue as to what is going on let us know. I don't believe that this has anything to do with auto workers disbanding themselves. My auto workers are out there cleaning pollution, which you will notice I have an abundance.

	06-06-2002 02:30									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Well panag, if you have a clue as to what is going on let us know. I don't believe that this has anything to do with auto workers disbanding themselves. My auto workers are out there cleaning pollution, which you will notice I have an abundance.

hi ,

Ned , did you use autosave , if yes , can you post the 4 previous ones , .....

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	06-06-2002 02:35									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Well panag, if you have a clue as to what is going on let us know. I don't believe that this has anything to do with auto workers disbanding themselves. My auto workers are out there cleaning pollution, which you will notice I have an abundance.

hi ,

Ned , even then they could kill themselves , ....

are you sure that the comp did not change the production , ....example , you where building a wonder , but because its finished there or there your city changed , ....

and the city manager could be involved also , ...

there are so many possibilities , ......

BTW , congrats on the game , its nice , ....

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	06-06-2002 03:37									#53
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Panag, This game is old game. I don't have any auto saves available.

I do not believe the city manager was on. I had to manually change production.

Also, this particular city was not building a Wonder. Nor was there and available Wonder that was not already under production in another city.

As of this point in time, the question that we have to answer is where did those extra shields come from?

Last edited by Ned on 06-06-2002 at 04:10

	06-06-2002 03:41									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Panag, This game is old game. I don't have any auto saves available. I do not believe the city manager was on. I had manually change production. Also, this particular city was not building a Wonder. Nor was there and available wonder that was not already under production in another city. As of this point in time, the question that we have to answer is where did those extra shields come from?

hi ,

we been looking at it from a zillion points , ......only one thing left to do , ....get the attention from Firaxis and ask them , ..........with the SAV(e)
the Zulu's start to dance in front of the eyes , .......tomorrow is an other day , ........

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	06-06-2002 03:52									#55
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All we talk about here is Ned's problems.....

Ned,

Can you post the last save game you have. I don't think you have to worry about exploding workers or anything, but let's be sure ok?

Alrighty then

	06-06-2002 04:11									#56
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Lorddread, I posted my saved game very early in this thread. And sorry for being a pest.

	06-06-2002 04:16									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Ned I rush-built the solar plant in the previous turn. I did not rush-build and switch prior to completing the build. Check, the solar plant is there. I hope this helps.

I don't even have the game loaded anymore but...

There is still some SMAC code in the engine. In SMAC you could rush overbuy which would result in shields being present the turn after the build. Is it possible that when coding Civ3 the developers put in a routine to drop leftover shield when building normally, but forgot to put the same in for rush overbuilds?

If so, that would be a significant bug to be discovered this late in the game.

	06-06-2002 05:58									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Lorddread, I posted my saved game very early in this thread. And sorry for being a pest.

No I meant your auto saved game. A year right before the saved game.

And your not a pest. I think of you as my little brother who I am helping with a math problem.

	06-06-2002 06:23									#59
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Lorddred, I'll see what I can find when I get home. Ned

	06-06-2002 09:26									#60
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Attached is the immediately preceding saved file. Just rush build the solar plant to get the 1876.

Attachment: shaka of the zulu, 1874 ad.sav
This has been downloaded 3 time(s).