08-06-2002 04:56									#31
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Thanks, Pekka. I trust that your last info is trustworthy.

By the way, the online dictionary is this one:

http://efe.scape.net/index.php

It's strange that it doesn't know so nice word as mukavaa.

	08-06-2002 05:06									#32
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wow, I tried hard to find an anglo-finnish dictionary. Thanks Vagabond

	08-06-2002 05:09									#33
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Vagabond, well i figure it shouldn't have it. 'mukavaa' is .. someone with better english and knowledge of äidinkieli help me out. I can't properly explain it now, but it's some of the many ways to word mukava bends. Of course it has different meanings . Happy learning!

IW, Happy learning to you too, you can't make it!

	08-06-2002 05:12									#34
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Ok let's try it this way. mukava means all those things you mentioned before. It also means nice.
'Sepäs mukavaa' means that's nice.
'mukavaa' means just nice.
Okay now i confused myself. Well you have to blame yourself for getting me into this!

Just learn japanese. It's easier and more interesting and more of use .

	08-06-2002 05:28									#35
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Well, I can imagine that "mukavaa", while being a kind of declension of "mukava", at the same time gets a slightly different meaning.

	08-06-2002 05:31									#36
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I wonder if it would be a promising business idea to move to US to teach finnish. I bet it's not .

	08-06-2002 05:33									#37
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If this is what you want to do, you've got a better chance in St.Petersburg.

	08-06-2002 05:35									#38
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Oh yeah, and now i realize you're not from US. Sepäs mukavaa. Well anyway i already have a sure bet as i will start my company in the US and sell them DECENT toilets. Americans, you don't have them, they truly suck. You will know why when i'll open up my store.

	08-06-2002 05:46									#39
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Decent toilets? Sepäs mukavaa. Well, I suppose you have to propose something really revolutionary if you hope to sell them in the States. I guess it will be thermo-regulated seats.

	08-06-2002 05:51									#40
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Well they are revolutionary compared to what they now have . i mean really, they do suck. And also showers. Sorry guys, but your showers suck. I'm not making this up.

	08-06-2002 05:54									#41
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Oh and also, what's up with your doors? They are placed often in a way that when you enter the main door, you enter the living room! It's nice to brake up an intimate moment between the family by entering the living room from the front door. And most of the doors can be just kicked in, no wonder the bad guys rob houses so often.

Ok sorry about my rant . Had to get it out of the system.

	08-06-2002 05:57									#42
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Decent toilets? What the Hell are you talking about?

	08-06-2002 05:58									#43
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SOrry, i just realized (again) how wrong i made it out. I mean them.. things you flush!

	08-06-2002 06:14									#44
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toilets...

	08-06-2002 06:19									#45
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Yes toilets... but how do you make them 'decent' if the ones we have aren't decent?

	08-06-2002 06:20									#46
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Well you think they're decent when you don't know anything about the better... .

Ettehän työ jenkkiraukat tiedä kunnon vessanpöntöistä mitään.. semmosia tehottomia kyykkypaskapönttöjä kun vaan väsäätte joissa ei ole edes tehoa.

	08-06-2002 09:07									#47
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So you're frustrated over how they don't flush your sh!t well?

And 'mukava' is the "basic form" of the word 'nice, comfortable', 'mukavaa' is the accusative, so yes, they're the same word.

	08-06-2002 13:11									#48
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Hei ihmiset, ei tämä ole mikään neuvontapalsta!! Kunnon suomalaista spämmiä kehiin tai ei kehtaa enää kadulla kulkea...

	08-06-2002 13:29									#49
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Ehhee päivän topikkina on siis "Pekkas mission of decent toilets - Enough with the kyykkypaska" vai?

	08-06-2002 14:17									#50
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Some of the blame on bad toilet bowls and showers can probably be attributed to the lack of fresh water, and in effort to save it, they make bad showers and toilet bowls.
Thats what you get when you don't guard your lakes properly, leaving them open to theft.

	08-06-2002 14:26									#51
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quote: Hei ihmiset, ei tämä ole mikään neuvontapalsta!! Kunnon suomalaista spämmiä kehiin tai ei kehtaa enää kadulla kulkea...

	08-06-2002 14:29									#52
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*taputuksia* Onko tämä nyt sitten surullista mutta totta, että kaikki ovat siirtyneet kesälomille?

	08-06-2002 14:53									#53
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Jaa-a. Minä ainakin olen siirtynyt -> siksi olen täällä

	08-06-2002 14:55									#54
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Muista ei voi tietää..

	08-06-2002 14:58									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Ade And 'mukava' is the "basic form" of the word 'nice, comfortable', 'mukavaa' is the accusative, so yes, they're the same word.

I just have to correct some mistakes made by a fellow Finn...

Actually, 'mukavaa' is not the accusative. The accusative of the word 'mukava' would be 'mukavan' or 'mukava', depending on the sentence (in Finnish, accusative resembles the genitive or the nominative, if I remember correctly).

'Mukavaa' is the partitive form, which is used in the sentence 'Se on mukavaa', meaning 'That is nice'. 'Sepäs mukavaa' is just a short, colloquial form of the same sentence. In general, partitive is the case the object in a sentence often gets, if it is not in accusative, and means quite the same thing as e.g. in French using the preposition 'de', e.g. 'du fromage'. (Pardon my French, I haven't studied it for a couple of years...)

Please, don't despair - Finnish nouns have over fifteen cases, and we have only touched a few of them thus far... anyone willing to bet on what would be e.g. the (plurar) comitative of the word 'mukava', and how it could be used?

	08-06-2002 14:59									#56
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Pyydän jo etukäteen anteeksi, että täytän threadin kielioppikeskustelulla, mutta kai sekin on parempi kuin että tänne ei postaisi mitään...

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* pystyttää alttarin Ignorancen jumalaiselle signaturelle ja kumartaa sitä päin viisi kertaa päivässä *

	08-06-2002 15:20									#58
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Jarouik: Jarkko tuli huoneeseen mukavine kavereineen?

... mutta mitenkäs abessiivi? Yksikössä se olisi "mukavatta" ja monikossa "mukavitta", ainakin uskoakseni. En osaa keksiä yhtään lausetta johon nuo sopisivat... syynä lähinnä se, että "mukava" on adjektiivi ja adjektiiveille ei virallisesti ole (muistaakseni) abessiivimuotoa .

http://www.internetix.fi/opinnot/op...ieli/kielioppi/ on järjettömän hyödyllinen osoite kielioppikeskusteluihin...

	08-06-2002 15:24									#59
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quote: Originally posted by LightEning Jarouik: Jarkko tuli huoneeseen mukavine kavereineen?

Joo, paitsi että en ole Jarkko eikä minulla ole täällä kavereita

quote: ... mutta mitenkäs abessiivi? Yksikössä se olisi "mukavatta" ja monikossa "mukavitta", ainakin uskoakseni. En osaa keksiä yhtään lausetta johon nuo sopisivat... syynä lähinnä se, että "mukava" on adjektiivi ja adjektiiveille ei virallisesti ole (muistaakseni) abessiivimuotoa . http://www.internetix.fi/opinnot/op...ieli/kielioppi/ on järjettömän hyödyllinen osoite kielioppikeskusteluihin...

Hyvä pointti... abessiivia adjektiivista en ole tullut ajatelleeksikaan. Komitatiivikin on kyllä aika älytön, koska 'mukavine' on käytettävissä vain adjektiiviattribuuttina. Nettiosoitteestakin voi olla hyötyä, koska kielioppi tarttui päähäni koulussa tai lukiossa, enkä ole sen jälkeen tarkistanut, muistanko enää mitään oikein...

	08-06-2002 15:47									#60
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[Purkka TM ] En ole täällä mukavitta kavereitta. [/Purkka TM ].