09-06-2002 17:23									#31
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Everyone votes, but according to KruX's suggestions the people in the cabinet will be the one with the final power, and power to override poll results (but doing so, and it turns out bad will probably not grant you the position for long).

	09-06-2002 17:25									#32
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quote: a secretary of the treasury to assign gold-funding levels to the different departments.

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I think that's a good idea as they can choose tax levels, say how much should be spent on buying techs/resources or hurrying production etc.

	09-06-2002 17:27									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos Everyone votes, but according to KruX's suggestions the people in the cabinet will be the one with the final power, and power to override poll results (but doing so, and it turns out bad will probably not grant you the position for long).

ok, but then as long as I'm among the people (for now ), then I have nothing to fear? Or am I getting something wrong?

	09-06-2002 17:29									#34
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quote: Originally posted by ADG ok, but then as long as I'm among the people (for now ), then I have nothing to fear? Or am I getting something wrong?

Well, when you are a citizen you have no power other then to vote. Yuo elect the ministers, and they can choose ask you about things in polls. But they don't have to do as you say.

	09-06-2002 17:30									#35
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quote: Originally posted by ADG ok, but then as long as I'm among the people (for now ), then I have nothing to fear? Or am I getting something wrong?

hi ,

they can get you , anywhere , anytime , anyhow , .....

have a nice day

	09-06-2002 17:35									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Turambar ] I think that's a good idea as they can choose tax levels, say how much should be spent on buying techs/resources or hurrying production etc.

Yes, a Financial Minister can be good. But that might involve to mush power. (As it would involve distruburating both the tressuary and the income to different ministers)

	09-06-2002 18:02									#37
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This "Ministers overruling polling results" idea is nothing but a terrible idea. However, if we do go along with it, we need some indication of how much of the ppl's will is ignored.

I suggest all decisions taken that are counter to the ppl's wishes need to be justified, and all income/expenditure needs to be presented as a budget so we can see whether the game is played by all of us or just a half dozen of us! Thus we need all polled decisions to be compared with what actually happens.

This at least means the ppl can vote the offender out after a term, where we have someone who abusees their power.

	09-06-2002 18:04									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos Well, when you are a citizen you have no power other then to vote. Yuo elect the ministers, and they can choose ask you about things in polls. But they don't have to do as you say.

But I guess it's a good idea to start as a citizen, just to get to know, how it all works

	09-06-2002 18:11									#39
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How about Ministers can only overule if the vote on something is less than a certain ammount?

e.g if the vote is which tech to research and Tech A gets 20%, Tech B gets 35% and Tech C gets 45% then the Minister can do what he wants? Or something along those lines.

	09-06-2002 18:22									#40
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Not a bad idea there, Turambar. But I still think Ministers need to post what their recommendations actually were - and justify them in cases where they deviated from the majority result of the people's votes

	09-06-2002 18:25									#41
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt This "Ministers overruling polling results" idea is nothing but a terrible idea. However, if we do go along with it, we need some indication of how much of the ppl's will is ignored. I suggest all decisions taken that are counter to the ppl's wishes need to be justified, and all income/expenditure needs to be presented as a budget so we can see whether the game is played by all of us or just a half dozen of us! Thus we need all polled decisions to be compared with what actually happens. This at least means the ppl can vote the offender out after a term, where we have someone who abusees their power.

I don't like that idea eitherr, but maybe allow them to override only if no option gained 50%+

	09-06-2002 19:33									#42
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sure. any option with < 50% should be able to be "ignored"

it's just me with my "the masses are asses" attitude...

	09-06-2002 19:40									#43
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Ah, but we here are all a "mass of individuals".

	09-06-2002 19:44									#44
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changed first post to show people running... we need more people to run! there are vacant offices and no opponents!

	09-06-2002 19:57									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos Well, when you are a citizen you have no power other then to vote. Yuo elect the ministers, and they can choose ask you about things in polls. But they don't have to do as you say.

I believe we should draw up a Constitution.

Also, I believe there should be a Cultural Minister, and I would like to run for such a position, should it materialize.

	09-06-2002 19:58									#46
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quote: Originally posted by punkbass2000 I believe we should draw up a Constitution. Also, I believe there should be a Cultural Minister, and I would like to run for such a position, should it materialize.

theres a constitutional convention thread somewhere.

	09-06-2002 19:59									#47
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX changed first post to show people running... we need more people to run! there are vacant offices and no opponents!

hi ,

and just what would you run for , ....

what about saying to the people what the benefits are , ....except for a state funeral , .....

have a nice day

	09-06-2002 20:01									#48
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as it stand right now, we font ahev a PRESIDENT!

maybe i should run for all the offices and play the first term on my own

	09-06-2002 20:03									#49
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX as it stand right now, we font ahev a PRESIDENT! maybe i should run for all the offices and play the first term on my own

hi ,

allas , what should the panag do , just suggest a job , ...

have a nice day

	09-06-2002 20:04									#50
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX as it stand right now, we font ahev a PRESIDENT! maybe i should run for all the offices and play the first term on my own

hi ,

of course there is a drawback , shall we use the UN as a body , ....

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	09-06-2002 21:04									#51
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If the Public Works ministry is voted out, i'll run for city planner.

	09-06-2002 21:50									#52
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quote: Originally posted by punkbass2000 I believe we should draw up a Constitution.

Yes, we should. I belive in a little less power to override decisions then KruX has suggested.

quote: Also, I believe there should be a Cultural Minister, and I would like to run for such a position, should it materialize.

Just tell me what you would do with sush a position, that isn't already covered by any other positions, or that you think a minister post has been assigned, but shouldn't have.

	09-06-2002 22:11									#53
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i think a culture minister is not important.

first off, i hate culture. there i said it.

secondly, i believe the whole "border system" culture creates would be handled by the city planner. if we need big borders fast he'll demand we build temples and libraries.

i see no point in a culture minister. presuade me.

	09-06-2002 22:59									#54
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Hrm... so we can still sign to run for a position? I wouldn't mind being a Diplojerk...err, i mean Foreign Advisor. Sign me up for that please?

	09-06-2002 23:17									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Ninot Hrm... so we can still sign to run for a position? I wouldn't mind being a Diplojerk...err, i mean Foreign Advisor. Sign me up for that please?

done. first post editied to show your candidacy.

	09-06-2002 23:54									#56
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX done. first post editied to show your candidacy.

hi ,

allas vice-president , ....... , actually ,

have a nice day

	10-06-2002 00:58									#57
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , allas vice-president , ....... , actually , have a nice day

do you want to run for VP panag?

	10-06-2002 01:03									#58
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I nominate myself for Military Advisor.

	10-06-2002 01:05									#59
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Happy to be a citizen.

	10-06-2002 01:18									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos I don't like that idea eitherr, but maybe allow them to override only if no option gained 50%+

I'd say 30% minimum, or else we'd end up with farces like the election of a certain president of a certain country.