11-06-2002 02:39									#31
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I meant of fake inventions. Art is often pooh-poohed by people seaking to denegrate Black folks. This list points to a number of scientific and technical achievements to sho both whites and Blacks that they are indeed capable of producing such work. Anyway, if I were you, before I go knocking down that list a few pegs, I'd follow the link to about.com and see just how much of the list is actually accurate (and how woefully inadequate it is).

Thats my point, instead of making any attempt at accuracy, false claims are made in the name of "boosting self esteem". The insinuation is quite racist IMO.

Here are some examples of inventions on the list that dont belong there:

The guitar is a traditional Spanish musical instrument brought to the American West by Mexican Spaniards and metistios.

The list credits T. Elkins with inventing the flush toilet. This link shows that is not true - he merely put a fancy furniture wrap around a chamberpot.
http://inventors.about.com/library/...lkinpatents.htm

The first known idea for a helicopter came from Leonardo DaVinci. He was able to conceive the idea and make a drawing of it, but was unable to build the thing due to the lack of appropriate manufacturing capabilities. His helicopter was was constructed in modern times and the design was proven effective as it did, indeed, fly - although not well as it did not have a motor.

If you go to that list they also claim to have invented "The Printing Press"!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that invention partly responsible for pulling Europe out of the dark ages around the 1400's?

http://inventors.about.com/gi/dynam...ab/hfl0228.html

	11-06-2002 02:41									#32
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See, now you're backing up your argument.

	11-06-2002 02:53									#33
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara See, now you're backing up your argument.

Well, I didnt post that earlier because my main point is that making false claims in the name of boosting the "self esteem" of blacks is racist.

I should have figured that someone would call me on that though...

	11-06-2002 04:18									#34
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I rather enjoyed "printing press"

	11-06-2002 04:37									#35
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Huh?

Guitar was invented by Robert Flemming ,Jr ?

Motor by J. Gregory ? Which motor is that?

Airship J.F.Pickering ?

What's an airship?

	11-06-2002 05:29									#36
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Rather than trying to read the mind of the author, you (Caligastia) could just say that the piece is a poorly written synopsis of the role of some blacks in developing products.

	11-06-2002 05:31									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf this the same guys that claim the ancient egyptians were black?

Several rulers were, as Egypt was controlled by Ethiopians for some time.

	11-06-2002 05:33									#38
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BTW, How does one tell from a patent that the inventor was black? There's no way to verify the data, is there?

	11-06-2002 05:38									#39
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Because black people get "special" patent numbers.

	11-06-2002 06:07									#40
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Dr. Drew invented a method of isolating blood plasma. He also created the first Blood Bank. A lot of people owe their lives to that man. It's rather common knowledge.

He died needing a blood transfusion. Didn't he?

	11-06-2002 06:10									#41
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Well I don't know about how valid the rest of the list is, but if Lonnie Johnson invented the Super Soaker, then I'm sold on the acheivement of Black inventors. Can't top the Super Soaker.

	11-06-2002 06:19									#42
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Actually, the Guitar referred on the che guevara's link is an electric blues guitar, which was a black invention. But then, it is quite poorly worded. The Guitar, blah...

But... :

quote: Lubricators Elijah McCoy

With all the sleazy stuff I've stumbled upon while on the Internet, I somehow guessed it

	11-06-2002 06:39									#43
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quote: Printing Press W.A. Lavallette

	11-06-2002 06:54									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia To me it seems insulting to blacks when people make false claims to supposedly "boost their self esteem". It implies that blacks need to lie about their achievements in order to feel good about themselves, as if they have no real achievements to be proud of. Its PC racism.

The Chinese do it. Why can't everyone exaggerate their accomplishments.

I single-handedly fought Bin Ladin to grueling stalemate. Then he slipped away into the caves.

	11-06-2002 07:47									#45
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc He died needing a blood transfusion. Didn't he?

I have heard that Dr. Drew died needing a blood transfusion because there was no available Black blood of his blood type. There weren't about to give white blood to a Black man, but I can't confirm that.

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I thought that it was because the closest hospital was white and refused to treat him.

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I thought that it was because the closest hospital was white and refused to treat him.

Yes, according to M*A*S*H anyway.



But, I do believe that is correct.

	11-06-2002 08:01									#48
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1. Cal, you really, really need to give the race threads a rest.

2. A lot of these inventions don't seem properly attributed. galvanic battery mostly Faraday's invention. elavator: Otis, etc. I suspect that some of the people who are being given credit for "inventings something" actually invented some small precursor or modification.

3. Surprised we haven't had a joke about the gliders flying around the Pyramids, yet...

	11-06-2002 08:04									#49
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I thought that it was because the closest hospital was white and refused to treat him.

Could be. Like I said, I'm just sayin' what I heard.

	11-06-2002 11:24									#50
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc He died needing a blood transfusion. Didn't he?

Sorry guys, looks like another urban legend.

quote: Dr. Drew died on April 1, 1950, after a car accident in in rural North Carolina. Although there is a legend that he died as a result of being denied a blood transfusion and medical care from a "whites-only" hospital, Dr. Drew got immediate medical attention, in part from the other doctors (his friends) who were in the car accident with him (but were less severely injured). Dr. Drew was admitted to a mixed-race hospital, but died after being treated for massive internal injuries. A U.S. postage stamp was issued in 1981 to honor Dr. Drew.

	11-06-2002 14:03									#51
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"Several rulers were, as Egypt was controlled by Ethiopians for some time."

Not to mention that about half the population were Nubian...

I think some of the early dynasties were Nubian, as well as at least one of the Middle Kingdom (or was it Intermediate?) dynasties.

More importantly the people that built the southern temples and monuments were...Abu Simbel (which is very impressive by the way) was.

So, yes...a lot of the ancient Egyptians were black...possibly even most at some times.

	11-06-2002 17:27									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Tolls "Several rulers were, as Egypt was controlled by Ethiopians for some time." Not to mention that about half the population were Nubian... I think some of the early dynasties were Nubian, as well as at least one of the Middle Kingdom (or was it Intermediate?) dynasties. More importantly the people that built the southern temples and monuments were...Abu Simbel (which is very impressive by the way) was. So, yes...a lot of the ancient Egyptians were black...possibly even most at some times.

I don't think the Egyptians look much different today than they did thousands of years ago. It's one thing to use the term 'black' when describing the racial characteristics of the Nubians, but let's also remember that black does not equate to negroid. Trying to horn in on Egypt's accomplishments is a shame, and puts the remarkable story of how the Bantu (negroid people) overran and populated the majority of Africa in historic times. Keep in mind that for the majority of recorded history Egypt held a majority of the entire human population of Africa. In fairly short order the Bantu took over the population lead and displaced the pygmies, bushmen etc. into the badlands, and conquered the continent from West to East to South, with only a technologically superior Sahel holding them off.

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RocknRoll.

Without the black immigrants in America, it would never had existed.

And that's A BIG ASS INVENTION IF YOU ASK ME

	11-06-2002 17:34									#54
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"It's one thing to use the term 'black' when describing the racial characteristics of the Nubians, but let's also remember that black does not equate to negroid. "

The Nubians I saw 2 weeks ago were fairly negroid...nose, mouth, hair for example. As, indeed, are the statues and pictures on most of the Nubian monuments...to me that says that the Nubians were very much 'black' in all senses of the term way back at least to Ramses II and earlier.

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err, erase the word immigrants... mea culpa...

	11-06-2002 19:03									#56
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Otis Boykin invented an improved electrical resistor used in computers - radios - television sets and a variety of electronic devices. Boykin's resistor helped reduce the cost of those products. Otis Boykin also invented a variable resistor used in guided missile parts, a control unit for heart stimulators, a burglar-proof cash register and a chemical air filter.

	11-06-2002 19:29									#57
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quote: Originally posted by GP 1. Cal, you really, really need to give the race threads a rest.

Youre right, its time for me to give them a break. A long break.

	11-06-2002 19:34									#58
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quote: Originally posted by redbaron Sorry guys, looks like another urban legend.

This is why I like posting here. I learn something new everyday.

	11-06-2002 19:36									#59
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 RocknRoll.

I think you mean Jazz.

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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Youre right, its time for me to give them a break. A long break.

"...and this time, I mean it!"



You seem to have forgotten that bit. Just trying to give you a little help, Cali.