28-08-2002 18:35									#91
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It is with me?

Blackice, did I send it out last night? If not, then I'll need a resend. Too many games, too many turns, not enough grey matter to keep them all straight...

And welcome to the new guys!

And of course, I'll also check on it after work...

	29-08-2002 07:15									#92
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ok i got turn 29 again so i sent it out again to RC and FF i thought the turn looked familer and so it was.

the Romans still fortifying their boarders with the greeks we will tolerate no trespassing.

SO Sayeth MILAMBER Archivest of Rome

	29-08-2002 10:01									#93
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	29-08-2002 14:16									#94
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30 to Hatschy

	29-08-2002 18:22									#95
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you'll no doubt get it on the next way around.

Ah ha! I had sent out the turn!

Oh well...

Australians... we see one of your mounted archers is now resting in the vicinity of one of our newest cities... we ask that you please have him leave at the soonest possible opportunity.

Also, Australians... our agreed upon border of the forests and jungle needs to be discussed further, it seems, since we notice your settlement of said forest and jungles.

We will assess the map and offer a suggestion unless you have one currently.

	30-08-2002 02:03									#96
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Hatschy, the new leader of the Canadians, spent some time for inspecting the cities his people lived in and for a ride through the vast and rich and beautiful territories surrounding them. Leaning against a tree at the top of a hill, admiring the beauty of the land, he asked himself how long this period of peace and happiness could last.

Turn 30 sent to dancemasseuse.

	30-08-2002 09:16									#97
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quote: Originally posted by FlameFlash Also, Australians... our agreed upon border of the forests and jungle needs to be discussed further, it seems, since we notice your settlement of said forest and jungles. We will assess the map and offer a suggestion unless you have one currently.

If I recall correctly Hiawatha, our agreement was that the forest would form the border. I haven't broken the agreement, as I have not built any cities on your side of said border.

I am happy to discuss forest-sharing arrangements, but will reserve any suggestions until after a close examination of the map. The trade unions and factional bosses will of course also need to be consulted

As for the mounted archer, he has been sent orders to stop making eyes at your squaws and withdraw

	30-08-2002 09:31									#98
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Our thanks for your promised mounted archer withdraw, and we happily await an ammendment to our original agreement since one claiming the forests and jungles solely for oneself would certainly not be fair to either nation.

As we have a city on the eastern side of the mountain range with another two planned for the south, might it be possible that we fill in the western forest (from the mountain range) northward to the city your mounted archer was staring at and you claim the southern jungles... provided that we also don't build any cities too close to any of yours that are already in the northern forest regions?

	30-08-2002 15:15									#99
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	31-08-2002 03:15									#100
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Turn 30 sent to FlameFlash after much trouble with CCTP

	31-08-2002 07:54									#101
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this is the first time I have replied here. Sorry still learning the rules thanks to milamber. Your a good helper, thanks. Anyway I sent turn 30 on 8/28/02. I understand I am sending it to redbull.

	31-08-2002 08:04									#102
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Turn 30 ~~~> FlameFlash after many problems with CCTP you may be aware of.

	01-09-2002 07:15									#103
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Glad to hear that your CtP is working again

Turn played and sent earlier.

	01-09-2002 10:02									#104
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turn 30 sent to RC and Blackice


Fair Greeks Julius (The Younger) sends greetings to Lord Ken ruler of the Greek nation. Let us establish a common boarder along the swamp, we will pull our troops (defensive purposes only) back to our city.


fragment found in ruins of temple in old Rome
cira 2500 BC dated to within 100 years.

So Sayeth MILAMBER ARCHIVEST OF ROME
this 31 day of August 2002

	01-09-2002 10:59									#105
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I asked you to stop trespass 2 turns ago and you rejected it. I sent you an email and asked how you would handle someone rejecting a stop trespass next to your city. I did not realize I was asking about you. lol

Ken

	01-09-2002 12:19									#106
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lol me either. but i have a city like right there too so i'm not really tresspassing
the greeks and i got off on the wrong foot
they used slavers in my territory so that is how are little tiff got started
when i answered you i did not have all the facts that cities were so close to each other.

	01-09-2002 14:37									#107
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31 to Hatschy.

O Great Geronimo,

Your deal, whilst on the surface attractive, has my leadership in conflict: business leaders are in favour, arguing for greater trade, the unions are against, they say it's stealing food from their children's bellies, and the Attorney General is arguing with the lawyers as to what exactly is meant by "east" anyway.

Our intelligence has failed to detect a city to the east of the mountain range, and a group of ex-convicts are claiming it is rightfully theirs as compensation for "unduly inconvenient incarceration experiences".

Allow me to consult more, and perhaps the media storm in my nation regarding this issue will abate with time, allowing me to come to some quiet agreement without sacrificing electoral popularity

Alternatively, perhaps you could exchange your maps with me, or failing that, email me a jpeg of that portion of the map with annotations describing exactly what it is you have in mind. A pretty and descriptive picture would go a long way to helping me appease the fickle voters of Australia.

	01-09-2002 16:31									#108
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Turn 31 sent to dancemasseuse.

BTW, is everyone sure he used the correct files? In the turn 31 I received (I received it twice, but files were identical), cities were still building things I had stopped building in turn 30 and units were still moving in wrong directions. It didn't do much harm this time, but next turn I definitely want to see the changes I have made.

	01-09-2002 16:40									#109
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How did you end your last turn? Did you press the "end" button? There was a turn mixup, I got 29 twice, about a week apart.

Sorry about the double send, it happens with my email quite often, haven't been able to fix it.

	01-09-2002 16:55									#110
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Yes, I did press the "end" button. Since it was my first turn in this game, this created the one and only file with the eMail address "bradplog@one.net" (the initial leader of the Greeks) in the filename, so there was absolutely no chance of mixin things up.

Receiving files twice is no problem, as long as files are identical .

	01-09-2002 21:00									#111
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Australians...

We will happily trade maps again with your people, and if it shall cause such an uproar among your people perhaps an alternate course can be recommended. Likewise, we will assemble a group of map makers to point out our definition of "east" within the year (aka, next turn )

	01-09-2002 21:04									#112
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recieved turn 31 sunday morning will do it sunday night and send it then. negotiating with milamber and waiting for his reply. Ken

	02-09-2002 03:41									#113
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Turn 31 to Redbull/Blackice

Well I went ahead and did my turn. sorry milamber I really wanted to play as peaceful as possible, but all I have is swamp and the only way to get any land is east/Romans or north/Australians and ocean to the south and west. I feel I don't have any choices in my actions; to act may cost me the game, but to stay in this hole, will cost me the game. Ken

	02-09-2002 22:52									#114
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Dear Greeks,
know that any action taken against the fair Australians will result in our also pursuing you.

Dear Australians,
Our map makers have offered an exchange, and also are sending you copies of the offered areas for each of our control to also create new borders. We believe for the benefit of both of our nations your taking of the jungles and mine of the forests and would be the most beneficial.

(Turn played and sent.)

	03-09-2002 01:31									#115
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Basically if everyone threatens me to stay in my hole and lose or attack you and lose, what choice are you giving me. One has the possibility of losing the other will lose for sure. Staying in my swanp hole and letting you both have everything is stupid and I am not stupid. Attacking and making you attack me back is not how I want it, but you both are trying to bully me in to staying in my hole and losing. Make a better offer than stay in my hole and lose and I might listen.

Ken

	03-09-2002 02:34									#116
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(ooc I hope that was all IC... (/ooc)

Our loyalties lie with the Australians until they give us reason otherwise. Even a little swamp hole can be made into a happy home if one cherishes the land in which they were given.

	03-09-2002 03:28									#117
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not to argue but continuing to tell me to stay in my hole is not productive. I realize the options I can pursue and the actual time it wil take to achieve that to make it a workable place is enough time to give the game to others. Giving me a bunch of seminar slogans about what I should do, sounds good on paper, but doesn't always apply to reality. We disagree, so what. I feel like you are trying to lecture me in to doing the game your way. I am asking nicely, please don't.

	03-09-2002 03:31									#118
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you know when I look at what I just wrote it may sound a little snotty. I do apologize.

	03-09-2002 03:43									#119
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Nope... looks like he wasn't IC... heh...

Do whatever you need to dancemasseuse, it's your nation, after all... I was just doing a little RPing, don't take it personally or anything.

	03-09-2002 04:36									#120
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I am not complaining mind you, only stating the facts here. I inherited this, which is fine with me I like a challenge. It looks like he started something with the romans and tried to hassle the australians too. I now have roman cities so close they overlapp resources. I have the australians blocking the only other land although his cities are not as close. The first turn message I had said the australians had atacked one of my troops. We are at a stand off there although there is land I can get to before he can, but he is blocking the way with troops AND those troops are within 3 squares of my cities. I don't know who attacked who first, but I am left dealing with it. The land that is usuable is used, the rest is 100% swamp and it is a very small area maybe 15 squares wide by 15 squares long and 80% swamp. All the suggestions people make are valid, but the end result is still I will be someones client state. Too small land, too small resources, too much PW to effectively terra-form, too much distance to develop the land to the southeast. I will do all those things because if I don't start now I will never get there. Anyway I feel trapped. So I have these choices, attack the romans and try to back them up. attack the australians and try to establish some cities to the north, use ships (which I have done) to go to the ocean (20 to 40 turns before productive) go to the southeast (20 turns of travel again), use PW to terra form (cost about 30 to 40 thousand PW and the lose of production to get there). So there it is and I am sure there are a thousand recommendations for and against any actions I do. I would prefer peace, but if I am being bullied, AND I AM, in to being a little mouse then even a mouse will bite knowing it will die anyway. So if australia wants to pull back a little and try to divide things a little more evenly no problem. If he demands that I keep in my little hole so he can grow bigger and better only to take me out later because he is bigger and better, then better to die now and make him work for it than give it all to him and let him do it anyway. If that sounds unreasonable, I do apologize. any suggestions, email me at yosemiteken@aol.com I am reasonable and will listen.
Sorry this is so long.
Ken