18-06-2002 06:15									#31
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Why? If people aren't going to vote for me anyways, it's not like it matters. Besides, we have better things to worry about now than reelection in a month.

	18-06-2002 06:19									#32
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Out on thin ice, some of our representatives are going!
I'll check on it in the coming news, and I hope to find some critisism...

	18-06-2002 06:20									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Trip Why? If people aren't going to vote for me anyways, it's not like it matters. Besides, we have better things to worry about now than reelection in a month.

Yeah, thats why I hate politicians in real life...

	18-06-2002 06:49									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Trip And I know that you hate me and my policies NYE, just be sure not to vote for me next time.

I don't hate you Trip. I can distinguish between you and your policies. I hope that this can remain civil enough so that you can extend me the same courtesy.

I must be opposed to things that I view are not in the interests of the people. I will be in favour of things that I see as being in the interests of the people. And I will be in favour of things that make the game go better for all of us.

Honestly Trip, I really hope that you do not become a one term President, or worse. However, that will largely remain in your hands.

We are faced with a difficult start. I suggest we look for ways to pull together, rather than apart.

	18-06-2002 06:57									#35
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I'm here to win the game and make our civilzation the strongest, not here to fight with other members. Everyone ought to know that more than anything else by now. I must admit though, I don't really care what people think of me, but don't at all think I'm going to drive our country into the ground for any reason. People can vote for whatever they want, I can't change that. And I'm somewhat glad that people are blaming the bad map on me, or the bad start at least. Makes it all the more glorious when 1000 BC comes around.

	18-06-2002 07:24									#36
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If it makes a difference for you Trip...

Like any good Egypto-Roman, I believe in a firm hand at the tiller of external affairs (the game).

While in Rome... Apolytonia I favour as much freedom as possible for the people in governing ourselves.

There is a big difference between the game and the community. Go forth and be a terror among the Gauls O Great Caesar, but remember that the people must be supreme at home.

	18-06-2002 11:23									#37
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It seems clear that the majority support allowing anyone to propose an amendment to the constitution. IMHO, we should close this poll and start a new poll: amendments by anyone with 50%, or amendments by anyone with 2/3.

	18-06-2002 11:50									#38
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The poll has 3 or 4 days to run and less than a third of the list have voted. We get in trouble by getting ahead of ourselves.

	18-06-2002 15:05									#39
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President Mike :
The point of the grouping system is precisely to avoid a repoll. Currently, Group A has many more voices than group B. If it remains so, the option within group A which has most votes will win.

	18-06-2002 15:37									#40
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My 51% vote is in accordance with civman2000 - simple majority decision rules and anyone may propose some change.

	18-06-2002 19:26									#41
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt My 51% vote is in accordance with civman2000 - simple majority decision rules and anyone may propose some change.

I think it should be 66%. Looking straight at the poll from the save game thread. Its scary that so many people would vote 'yes' without considering the implications.

	18-06-2002 20:59									#42
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I think only ministers and the president should be allowed to start a poll. This is because i don't want to read loads of polls, some suggesting things twice and others suggesting dumb stuff. If only a few people can post polls on decisions then they will be fairer and more people will vote on the important issues.

	19-06-2002 00:09									#43
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Such heavy decisions as changing a nations constitution is nothing to play around with...

The people should of course bee able to change the the constitution, but they must have a definite majority (2/3) to do it, it represents the real world best... it IS how most real democracies work and if we are going to change that then we may not call this the civ3 democracy game anymore...

Donīt change democracy...

	19-06-2002 00:12									#44
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I'm glad that 67% is in the lead. I don't care so much about who can submit an amendment, but there definitely needs to be more than a 51% majority to make an amendment official.

	19-06-2002 00:18									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Trip I'm glad that 67% is in the lead. I don't care so much about who can submit an amendment, but there definitely needs to be more than a 51% majority to make an amendment official.

hi ,

80% would even be more "democratic" , ...

still , 67 is a good percentage , more democratic then 51 , ...

have a nice day

	19-06-2002 02:58									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Fatwreck Such heavy decisions as changing a nations constitution is nothing to play around with... The people should of course bee able to change the the constitution, but they must have a definite majority (2/3) to do it, it represents the real world best... it IS how most real democracies work and if we are going to change that then we may not call this the civ3 democracy game anymore... Donīt change democracy...

in that case, we should have a supreme court of some sort, an elitist legislative group, and a huge bureaucracy ...the people only vote directly on those things the legislature decides to hold referenda on, and then they can come and make another law without going directly to the people overturning the referendum results... My new slogan is "Don't change democracy!!! "!!!