16-02-2000 18:39									#31
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Well, it's not available for download yet. Nordicus probably didn't send it in for download yet since it's not yet compatible with any/all mods (although people have been working on that) and since he's always busy doing something else (right now he's working on his world map again - I think). I suppose it will come available soon, but if you can't wait you could also email Nordicus and ask for a copy (he left Apolyton a few days ago, so he won't respond to your post himself, you'll have to email him).
Hope this helps,

Update: I went through my mail archieve and I came up with these URL's:
For Nordicus Trade Goods v1.3: http://community.myway.com/pd/wesw
For Nordicus Trade Goods v1.3 Apolyton Pack compatible: http://www.duesouth.net/~scbryan/ctp/

Locutus
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	18-02-2000 19:11									#32
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Thank you Locutus. I got the new trade goods and they're great.
Thanks.

	18-02-2000 19:50									#33
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Do these files work with WesW's Medieval, and Modern Mod's? Thanks

	20-02-2000 20:58									#34
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MadWoodster,

As far as I know no-one has made the mods compatible with WesW's mods yet, but I'm sure that's just a matter of time. You could of course try it yourself...

	21-02-2000 08:31									#35
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Timothy Pintello made the trade goods mod compatible with my Med mod a couple of weeks ago, and sent out copies to a few of us. You could sent an email to Tim if you like a copy of it.
I haven't checked it out myself, I have been spending all my time on the Mod mod recently. I plan to put out a second update of the Med mod sometime in the future, with a version of the trade goods mod within it, among other things.

	21-02-2000 20:21									#36
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Thanks for the replies guys. Tim, if you read this can you send me the version of trade goods you created to ajwoody@hotmail.com as I don't have your e-mail address thanks.
Look forward to the next update WesW, if you want any help testing it let me know please, thanks,

	23-02-2000 02:09									#37
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You missed on very important commodity.

Jungle: Narcotics.
Gold: 40

	23-02-2000 02:15									#38
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Hi MadWoodster,

I have gone ahead and sent you a copy of the adjusted files Wes mentioned. If a lot of you want them, I will send a copy to MarkG so that he can post them, though come to think of it, he may already have a copy.

Timothy Pintello
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	23-02-2000 23:45									#39
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I remember asking nordicus after sending v1.3( think) if it was ready for posting and he said no...

	24-02-2000 07:27									#40
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I received an email today from Nordicus that indicated he was still working on the trade goods. The ones that are out there now (v1.3) are still in the testing phase, although I have found them to be quite FUNctional....

	24-02-2000 17:27									#41
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I asked Nordicus about this yesterday and this was the answer I received this morning:

quote: Yes, I'm planning on finishing the readme for it by the weekend, then send it in. Apparently, there's a bug in the New Trade Goods Mod--> when someone tried to look at his trade screen to view what was going where, it crashed and caused an error saying that something was 'not found in asset tree,' and the something turned out to be Walrus, or more specifically, a tga file of a walrus. Have you (or anyone) experienced this? Is there anything in the mod that you've found not functioning properly?

So it should come in very soon, although with Nordicus you never know, he's usually doing at least 5 things at a time (he did tell me he changed that and was going one thing at a time for a change)

Locutus

	25-02-2000 10:15									#42
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the only problem i've had with the new trade goods is that in the "buy" section of the trade screen, salmon are consistently displayed as lobsters.

	25-02-2000 02:00									#43
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I checked myself, I had problems with the walrus as well. Only in my case the game didn't crash, but walrus were displayed as emeralds, emeralds as sapphires and sapphires as emeralds.
Strange how different people have different problems...

	25-02-2000 09:06									#44
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Well Pauli and Locutus, I guess you two win the prize. There is a bug in v1.3 with sapphires, emeralds, and walruses being mixed up. Another bug changes salmon to lobsters along trade routes. Both bugs have been identified and fixed. They are both subtle bugs, so everyone may not always detect them. If you want to, go to http://www.duesouth.net/~scbryan/ctp/ and download the four updated text files for the New Trade Goods v1.3 and see if they fix the bugs that you noticed.

	04-03-2000 02:11									#45
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I downloaded 1.3 and have really enjoyed it! the graphics are well done and the variety is a welcome change. With the addition of Harlan's excellent leaders mod, the game has a much nicer feel. However I have noticed two things.

1.The original game over-valued sea square but tt seems that Nordicus has overcompensated in the other direction. In 1.3 the sea squares are not nearly as valuable as the land squares, especially in the early going. Having cities on the coast is a defensive liability and in this game being a port does not really add trade. This leaves no real incentive to build coastal cities. Whats more, inland cities with grassland can grow much faster, and hence larger. This kind of goes against the real world where the majority of large cities are on the coast(albeit more because of trade than food or production reasons).

My only other beef is that forest lands have been de-valued a little too much. Forest squares are now the last place I'll put a worker. But, in truth, logging has always been an important industry.

Anybody have an opinion on these?

	04-03-2000 19:36									#46
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Chuck:

Once again, thank you looking after things during my semi-retirement
Been working on the readme and I realized that I may need some help on it, esp. the installation section. But I'll email you later about it. I made two minor changes with the resources, so I hope these don't muck up your wonderful gl files too much!

I appreciate all the comments and feedback.

ticktock:
Thanks for the comments
I didn't receive much feedback initially and so had to adjust everything however I saw best, for the most realistic set up; it was done originally for an earth map, and resource values had yet to be discovered by Timothy. But after he did, I decreased values accordingly.
But I have looked into your two concerns, and I have to agree--forest production was too low and beach food values were too low as well. So, these have been adjusted.

Thanks again.


Markos:
If everything goes well, there should be two versions available for posting sometime next week--a non-CD version and a Pack version--which will likely be put together over at Chuck's site.

Later,

Tom.

	05-03-2000 13:32									#47
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excellent nordicus, I'll be waiting for them...
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	06-03-2000 08:27									#48
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Nordicus,

Welcome back to Apolyton! And, you are certainly welcome - I was glad to do a little bit, but what I did pales in comparison to the amount of hard work that you have put into this mod, let alone for CTP the game.

Anyway, your mod looks like it's real close to being finished. Your readme is shaping up just fine. To all readers of this thread, this may be your last chance to comment on any changes to the trade goods mod!

Chuck

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	09-03-2000 15:36									#49
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Hey, guys...

Hey, thanks. Nice to be back, Chuck.

Think I'll post the readme above a bit later.

Tom.

	09-03-2000 17:28									#50
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Okay, I included the latest readme above. Also, I thought Timothy Pintello's comments were worthy of posting (as usual) here below.

quote: Hi All, This whole thing is looking really great. I especially like the HTML that helps you see everything at one look. That is something that has been needed for a long time. I have been using Nordicus's Trade Goods Mod for some time now and I can tell you it adds a great deal of depth and difficulty to the game. Seems the AI actually knows what to do with this stuff. I have changed the huge map size so that is about 1/3 larger than it used to be. Since I have done this, I have only had 1 game that I may be winning, but it is too early to tell. Using the Med Mod and the Trade Goods in conjuction with the larger map makes a truly difficult AI to play against. I beleive this is a combination of the greater amount of production and somewhat greater amount of gold now in the game and the fact that the AIs now have a chance to spread out before they start competing with you and each other. I am playing this on Emporer Level. Regards, Timothy Pintello

	10-03-2000 02:28									#51
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Looking good, Tom.
And I totally agree with Timothy. Your trade goods (certainly in combination with other mods make the game and the AI a lot better).

	11-03-2000 19:08									#52
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Hey, thanks, bud.

Whatcha been up to lately? Anything good?


Oh, I have updated the readme on the first page. I probably won't post the Pack version of the mod--it's basically the same, just for the Apolyton Pack instead.

Tom.


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	15-03-2000 07:05									#53
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Okay, the readme's up to date.

Just some testing to do and we can stick a fork in this one.

	17-03-2000 23:36									#54
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Alrighty. She's done. Should be posted soon.

	21-03-2000 06:03									#55
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posted on Apolyton!

New Trade Goods v1.4 (Non-CD Version)

New Trade Goods v1.4 (Apolyton Pack)

	21-03-2000 06:29									#56
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Great! That was quick.
Thanks, Markos.

Tom.

	22-03-2000 10:13									#57
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Congratulations on a job well done!

Glad to have you back, guy!

	22-03-2000 19:16									#58
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One thing that seems to have slipped through discussion here is the grasslands movement down to 50. Are grasslands really that much easier to move through than plains?

Also any news on when this versions will be combatible with WesW's Medieval Mod.

Thanks for all the great work being put in here to make playing experience more enjoyable.

	23-03-2000 06:01									#59
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Hey, DiscoveryOne (John? that you? in there). Yeah, nice to be back--whatcha been up to, man? Great work on those gl files--had a look yesterday.

MW:
Hi. Yeah, plenty escapes discussion round here
But the reason for that is because of the addition of movement penalties for other terrains. Attempting to balance it a bit. Using bigger maps probably did influence a bit, however, because of increased time taken to move around--but I have default grasslands set as 33 for my games.
It's pretty easy to change back--let me know if you have any more questions.

Later,

Tom.


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	23-03-2000 17:21									#60
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I've downloaded your 1.4 version of trade goods and I've gotta say: I LOVE IT! Makes the concept of trading goods more than just give me a beaver so I can make 20 gold instead of 10. Now the goods actually seem to represent something. This is something I feel was long overdue, in fact something like this should've been included in the out-the-door version of the game. But oh well, don't think we need to go there.

Anyway, I just wanted to say thanks Nordicus for all the apparent hard work that's gone into this.

P.S. I do have one gripe though; now I can't seem to beat the dang AI like a drum anymore. Seems like loading the Trade Goods turns the AI into Bill Gates or something.