19-06-2002 20:33									#31
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Nothing got stolen and no-one was killed so yes I suppose it was. I wouldn't do it out of practice though, I doubt you'd leave your door in aber open every night on purpose though would you?

	19-06-2002 21:33									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Young generations have not learnt to think properly about politics or economics, and insetad follow the selfish left-wing paths they are expected to take.

Left-wing paths selfish? Giving away some of your earnings in taxes to help others selfish? I see now...

And remember this age group includes you, Bodders.

	19-06-2002 21:36									#33
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So reddy, how are the conservatives doing in your country?

quote: Young generations have not learnt to think properly about politics or economics, and insetad follow the selfish left-wing paths they are expected to take.

Explain me. I am young but certainly not left-wing.

Boddy, it shines right through... you really don't know a thing you are talking about.

	19-06-2002 21:43									#34
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This is the most affluent generation in British history, with the greatest set of personal freedoms ever enjoyed by anybody in this country, so I can only conclude that the younger generation are a bunch of whiny complacent fools who need a good slapping.

	19-06-2002 21:46									#35
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Or maybe we don't like Tories dictating what is good for us, or Labour giving false promises. As far as I can see section 28 is still in effect so no, I don't trust Labour.

	19-06-2002 21:47									#36
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There are two important facts you have to bear in mind.

1- Britain has never been terribly good at that patriotism thing and tends to regard the present government at any given time as interchangeable with things normally found living under rocks.

2- The favourite national pastime of the British is moaning. We weren't labelled "whingeing poms" for nothing.

	19-06-2002 21:48									#37
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Let me run the country.... (Just make sure there is a helicopter ready to take me out of there after two days so I don't get lynched)

	19-06-2002 21:49									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Let me run the country....

*Flees to Holland*

	19-06-2002 21:50									#39
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon Or maybe we don't like Tories dictating what is good for us, or Labour giving false promises. As far as I can see section 28 is still in effect so no, I don't trust Labour.

Well the Lords scuppered that one, after the Gov. got it through the commons - come on, give Tony marks for trying....

	19-06-2002 21:53									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Seneca Well the Lords scuppered that one, after the Gov. got it through the commons - come on, give Tony marks for trying....

I refuse to

Labour have been in power for 5 years, more than enough time to invoke the Parliament Act.

And don't even get me started on the Lords...

	19-06-2002 21:55									#41
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Is Parliament Act to pass something over objection of Lords? How long can they delay a bill?

	19-06-2002 21:58									#42
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I have no problem with crime in Warwickshire . As in, never, ever, at all.

Football hooliganism is hardly rampant, either--the Millwall hooligans are certainly a separate entity from the fans of that club. The worst club in this regard is Cardiff, which (at least passively) encourage hooliganism. Go to a football match not involving Cardiff or Milwall and you should be fine.

	19-06-2002 21:58									#43
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Is Parliament Act to pass something over objection of Lords? How long can they delay a bill?

For 2 years. It originally came into effect when the King helped it through (the Lords would have blocked it in a wonderful catch 22).

	19-06-2002 22:11									#44
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2 years? That's ridiculous. Our Senate can only block for 90 days, God bless 'em...

	19-06-2002 22:13									#45
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH I've done that in Reading except it was wide open.

I've done it in Saint Paul's, Bristol, though I was probably very lucky...

	19-06-2002 23:19									#46
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Jon's not 100% accurate. Lords can only delay a Bill for one year. It was two, but that power was trimmed in 1968 (IIRC). Opinion is divided as to whether it's a good or bad thing - they've blocked some things that I see as good (the foxhunting bill, the Section 28 repealing) and some things I see as bad (the hasty anti-terrorist bill). So I don't know where I stand, except that they're even more parasitical and undemocratic than the Commons.

	19-06-2002 23:28									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Clear Skies Jon's not 100% accurate. Lords can only delay a Bill for one year. It was two, but that power was trimmed in 1968 (IIRC). Opinion is divided as to whether it's a good or bad thing - they've blocked some things that I see as good (the foxhunting bill, the Section 28 repealing) and some things I see as bad (the hasty anti-terrorist bill). So I don't know where I stand, except that they're even more parasitical and undemocratic than the Commons.

Proving me wrong?! You're expelled!

	19-06-2002 23:46									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Sixchan Humph. I've been burgled twice, and I moved here because my old neighbour hood, where I wasn't burgled, had too much crime. No-where is safe, and we need a much tougher line on criminals.

Sixchan, it seems that many British residents were unhappy primarily because of the crime situation. If this is correct, then the conclusion that the so-called right is in trouble in Great Britain is probably incorrect. It is the right, after all, that is most concerned for law and order.

	19-06-2002 23:54									#49
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon Proving me wrong?! You're expelled!

to you. Just cos I listen in Politics classes

	19-06-2002 23:57									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Sixchan, it seems that many British residents were unhappy primarily because of the crime situation. If this is correct, then the conclusion that the so-called right is in trouble in Great Britain is probably incorrect. It is the right, after all, that is most concerned for law and order.

You are quite right, the Tories have Labour and the Lib Dems right where they want them. Another success for Ned.

	20-06-2002 00:00									#51
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quote: Originally posted by JohnIII You are quite right, the Tories have Labour and the Lib Dems right where they want them.

Right where they want them...riiiight....so walking all over the Tories is what they want...

If the Tories have the other two parties 'right where they want them' then how come they made a net gain of only 1 seat at the last election and their poll results have been going down ever since?

	20-06-2002 00:38									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Sixchan, it seems that many British residents were unhappy primarily because of the crime situation. If this is correct, then the conclusion that the so-called right is in trouble in Great Britain is probably incorrect. It is the right, after all, that is most concerned for law and order.

Ned? Just out of curiosity, do you come even remotely close to having something to back that up? Did you actually give it any thought before posting?

Clear Skies. Would you like a clearer signpost for JohnIII's sarcasm?

	20-06-2002 00:57									#53
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Can I just say that I wish fellow members of my nation would stop moaning just because England isnt the best place in the world to live. Why cant us British just be happy that we live in a free country, as opposed to living in a worser part of the world, and believe me they do exist!

	20-06-2002 01:04									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Ron Jeremy Ned? Just out of curiosity, do you come even remotely close to having something to back that up? Did you actually give it any thought before posting?

Why would he choose now to start?

	20-06-2002 01:15									#55
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quote: It is the right, after all, that is most concerned for law and order.

Crime doubled under Thatcher, or so Labour keeps saying.

	20-06-2002 01:33									#56
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Lies, damned lies, and statistics...

	20-06-2002 02:05									#57
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon For 2 years. It originally came into effect when the King helped it through (the Lords would have blocked it in a wonderful catch 22).

He threatened to make new peers to outnumber the old ones. He didn't actually do anything directly in getting the bill through the Lords.

	20-06-2002 02:33									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Ron Jeremy Clear Skies. Would you like a clearer signpost for JohnIII's sarcasm?

Ack. Leave me alone I'm stupid at the best of times, but when I'm tired I get doubly so...isn't there some sort of PC defence for people with single-figure IQs? I could sure use one...

	20-06-2002 02:36									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin He threatened to make new peers to outnumber the old ones. He didn't actually do anything directly in getting the bill through the Lords.

I remember that bit...

	20-06-2002 02:36									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin He threatened to make new peers to outnumber the old ones. He didn't actually do anything directly in getting the bill through the Lords.

Sounds oddly familiar to when a Liberal government tried to push through a budget and the Tory Lords blocked it... Asquith (IIRC) went to the King and got him to threaten swamping of the Lords with Liberal peers if they didn't let it through.

Bless you Mr Murphy, I have learnt from thee