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Mikhail
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flesh.and.binary
Mar 2002
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If Bush runs again next term, vote Democratic. Simple, eh'?
I don't know much about American politics....Is it possible for Bush NOT to represent the Republican party next term? I mean, let's say the Republican Party give's it's nomination to that Rudy Guiliani guy... If bush wants to run again, he'd have to go third party, right?
as for switching parties, there is only one party over there I agree completely with:
http://www.sp-usa.org/
Eugene Victor Debs is probably my favorite American of all time. If we had had people like him over here, we would be much better off.
I don't really see a point in the Communist Party anymore (the Communist and Socialist USA parties split in 1919, correct?). The Socialist Party is bigger, and the parties agree on everything, and act together all the time. Lenin's international call is over, them, and the SLP, need to fuse.
"For Jobs, Peace, and Freedom: Vote Socialist"
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Imran Siddiqui
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The Potterverse
Jan 1970
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btw Imran, I'm curious why you have such a support for foreign aid. How do you feel about domestic issues such as medicare, welfare and social security? Do you feel it is right for the government to tax one person to death and hand the money over to someone else? |
I think we need welfare, social security, and medicare. I believe you CAN'T take those away! People depend on that when they lose their jobs or get old. You can reform it (for instance I want to change welfare a bit, where job training would also come from the government, rather than just checks).
So, yeah, my mindset gels with more foreign aid  . And hell, better for my capitalist mindset  . Richer people in 3rd World Nations, more of a market . And also they can create their own goods to compete and use comparative advantage.
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Imran, the thing about the Greens is, there's two of 'em. And what most people think about the Greens are really the socialist Greens. The main Green party is rather more moderate, though they are the one's that run Nader. |
I know . But I didn't like the Naderites. They were the wacky ones. I actually ran into a Green Senate candiate. I was packing up the Republican booth at Rock The Vote (where we were looked at like animals by the college people), when he came up to us, talked for a bit, and wished us luck. Really nice guy  . Nader just brought in some loonies.
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I do happen to think that there's a little bit more to government than just rights protection |
Same here, Snow. Which is why I'm not ready to jump into the Lib Party yet (and Montana is too cold, make it Texas or Virginia or Florida, and I'm there ).
And Snow, what is that avatar of?
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Considering that thanks to American electoral system there are two (2) parties with any kind of chance for success, you should stick with either one of them |
Ah, but I don't like either now . I'll probably end up voting for more Republicans than Dems anyway, but I'd rather not be affiliated with the party.
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If Bush runs again next term, vote Democratic. Simple, eh'? |
Depends on the Democrat.
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I don't know much about American politics....Is it possible for Bush NOT to represent the Republican party next term? I mean, let's say the Republican Party give's it's nomination to that Rudy Guiliani guy... If bush wants to run again, he'd have to go third party, right? |
You have it exactly right.
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:20
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Originally posted by Mikhail
as for switching parties, there is only one party over there I agree completely with:
http://www.sp-usa.org/
Eugene Victor Debs is probably my favorite American of all time. If we had had people like him over here, we would be much better off.
I don't really see a point in the Communist Party anymore (the Communist and Socialist USA parties split in 1919, correct?). The Socialist Party is bigger, and the parties agree on everything, and act together all the time. Lenin's international call is over, them, and the SLP, need to fuse.
"For Jobs, Peace, and Freedom: Vote Socialist" |
That's my party. Yeah, their were two splits in 1919. The right-wing leadership of the SP refused to recognize the election that swept the left-wing to power in the party. The foreign leagues split first forming a communist party, and the native left around John Reed tried to take control during the convention and failed. They then split and formed their own communist party. The two later merged under orders from the International.
Contrary to your assertion, the Communist Party is still bigger than we are. They just don't make a lota noise. They are the most conservative wing of the left, which won't do anything which will upset the Union leadership. In practicle terms this means that they've strangled the Labor Party in its crib to prevent it from doing to the Dem's what the Gren Party is trying to do.
The next largest leftist party after them are the Democratic Socialists of America, who have moved slightly left in the 90s, after seeing what the Democratic Party would do once in control, nothing.
Hey Stefu, you'll notice I didn't recommend my party to Imran either. 
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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
That's my party. Yeah, their were two splits in 1919. The right-wing leadership of the SP refused to recognize the election that swept the left-wing to power in the party. The foreign leagues split first forming a communist party, and the native left around John Reed tried to take control during the convention and failed. They then split and formed their own communist party. The two later merged under orders from the International.
Contrary to your assertion, the Communist Party is still bigger than we are. They just don't make a lota noise. They are the most conservative wing of the left, which won't do anything which will upset the Union leadership. In practicle terms this means that they've strangled the Labor Party in its crib to prevent it from doing to the Dem's what the Gren Party is trying to do.
The next largest leftist party after them are the Democratic Socialists of America, who have moved slightly left in the 90s, after seeing what the Democratic Party would do once in control, nothing.
Hey Stefu, you'll notice I didn't recommend my party to Imran either. |
IIUC the DSOC are themselves the result of a split from the 1950's post Thomas Socialist party(not sure its relation to your SP-USA) which was taken over by "right wing" elements, who are now SD-USA, the social democrats, very close to the AFL-CIO. BTW DSOC still does not consider itself a party,and still operates withing the Democratic party (though unhappy with Clintonism) as does SDUSA.
For those who care, my own politics lie somewhere between SDUSA and Gore/Clinton New Democrats (DLC/PPI) DLC wont take issues of social class and economic justice as seriously as I would like, and SDUSA is too protectionist (needless to say this puts me to the right of Greens and proposed Labor party). So naturally Im sticking with the Dems, hoping New dems follow Gore's late 2000 lead toward populism.
LOTM
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Rex Little
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Why would it be "mad" to cut the Social Security tax, che? At the federal level, it's the most regressive tax there is.
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20-06-2002 07:04
Or do you mean taxes on SS recipients?
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