29-06-2002 02:51									#31
	Confused Designs lead to Confused Games Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Just to get my 2 cents in on this discussion.

Firaxis failed to keep their game design consistent from start to finish. If they were looking for a simplified strategic game, it gets mired in the poor combat model. If they were looking to use some of the tactical combat that SMAC was perfectly setup for, they oversimplified the units.

Being a fan of SMAC, and having done some modding in CTP2, I was disappointed that CIVIII hadn't included alot of the neater touches from even CIVII, and had nothing in the way of improvements to game play or mechanics that were started in SMAC.

Not that the game isn't challenging or somewhat enjoyable, I'm dissappointed that they produced a muddled game design and then left minimal tools with which to clarify it. And there were other areas of strategy that were left out that could have given a strategic version much greater depth.

Hopefully they will show more decisiveness as to what kind of game they were trying to make with the release of PTW.


D.

	29-06-2002 02:53									#32
	Why? Inflate your Upload Space

Sorry to spam but...

Why can't we just let this thread die?

	29-06-2002 03:06									#33
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Because it's the first civil discussion of the like I've seen on this issue (as opposed to a specific "problems" thread), and becuase I'm actually interested in seeing how many people are of a like mind and still play CivIII. And why. And lastly, because I am very interesting in hearing the counterpoints of those who think CivIII is very very good, and are willing to actually explain why.

	29-06-2002 18:28									#34
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

And because he is, by name at least, a bastard, and an admitted anarchist to boot.

	29-06-2002 20:29									#35
	Put an end to popups!

quote: Originally posted by Barchan And because he is, by name at least, a bastard, and an admitted anarchist to boot.

hi ,

, is this not the wrong place to use these words , .....

have a nice day

	30-06-2002 04:57									#36
	Remove this text

I agree with Fitz.

I played the original Civ, Civ II, and Colonization before I played SMAC. My expectations for SMAC were SKY HIGH. My expectations were not only met, but exceeded in every possible way.

Not surprisingly, my expectations for Civ III were just as high. Civ III was a big disappointment in most respects. Nearly everything was dumbed down--the units, the tech tree. Perhaps even worse, it lost all of the "flavor" that made SMAC such a joy to play again and again--wonder movies, quotes. It's the "flavor" that adds to the one-more-turn feeling; without the "flavor", you don't have as much incentive to carry on to your next big objective.

I'm rambling now... I guess I can sum up Civ III in one word:

Bummer.