02-07-2002 21:14									#61
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quote: He's smarter then you dumb-asses, becuase he's telling YOU what to do while you wail impotently at him on a game site.

-Nah. He's inherited the position largely. Just because someone can tell you what to do doesn't necessarily mean they're smarter, often it's the opposite (see Dilbert Principle).

	02-07-2002 21:20									#62
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Bush hasn't told me what to do about anything.

And telling people what to do doesn't in anyway indicate intelligence.

	02-07-2002 21:37									#63
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Your still failing about impotently boys,

	02-07-2002 21:38									#64
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110 - 120, not dumb, but certainly not smart enough to 'lead the free world'.

does anyone know the correct answer? wasn't there an estimate done a couple of years ago?

	02-07-2002 21:39									#65
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BTW Chris, nice idea for the sig, your name AND your IQ!!!!

	02-07-2002 21:47									#66
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever BTW Chris, nice idea for the sig, your name AND your IQ!!!!

Its not his sig, and 62 is the year he was born. Long before you were even a gleam in your father's eye no doubt.

Grow up little one.

	02-07-2002 21:54									#67
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Honestly, I said 100-110. Bush is probably of about average intelligence, but is inordinately inarticulate and prone to verbal gaffes, like his father but only much worse. In addition, he has probably damaged his brain a good deal with his earlier drinking and coke-snorting habits, compounding problems.

He probably does have a learning disability, and it's probably mild dyslexia. Nothing that hasn't afflicted much smarter people, though.

	02-07-2002 21:57									#68
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever 110 - 120, not dumb, but certainly not smart enough to 'lead the free world'. does anyone know the correct answer? wasn't there an estimate done a couple of years ago?

Why do you need an High IQ to lead the free world?

I, in fact, welcome the average. My problem with Bush (and the same one I have with Gore) is that he is in Big Businesses pocket.

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	02-07-2002 21:57									#69
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever BTW Chris, nice idea for the sig, your name AND your IQ!!!!

I can see your cranky, don't worry, mommy will be home soon to change that diaper.

	02-07-2002 22:11									#70
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Oh, like you aren't cranky, Chris?

The fact that the man is President doesn't mean he's intelligent. Lot's of less than brilliant people end up on top because of who they are, not they are. Conversely, lots of really smart folks don't succeed because they lack connections.

He succeeded in business only because people handed him businesses. He succeeded in politics only because people handed him offices (including the Presidency of the United States).

As others mentioned, he was an adequate student. If you have enough money you can get into any school. Motor skills don't prove how smart you are.

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	02-07-2002 22:21									#71
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In the 120-130 range. Just a wild guess though.

	02-07-2002 22:28									#72
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Oh, like you aren't cranky, Chris?

I don't follow that child around poly, Che.
He seems to think that it will somehow raise his stature if he can get my goat somehow.

Typical infantile thinking.

quote: The fact that the man is President doesn't mean he's intelligent. Lot's of less than brilliant people end up on top because of who they are, not they are. Conversely, lots of really smart folks don't succeed because they lack connections.

Connections only get you so far in life, this is all sour grapes and you know it.

quote: He succeeded in business only because people handed him businesses. He succeeded in politics only because people handed him offices (including the Presidency of the United States).

Sour grapes again.

quote: As others mentioned, he was an adequate student. If you have enough money. Motor skills don't prove how smart you are.

Neither does who your daddy was, and all the connections in the world won't propell you to the top, where he is.

You don't like his politics, fine.
I don't either.

You think he's dumb, the facts don't support it.

	02-07-2002 22:30									#73
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Average IQ is 100-110. Bush isn't as smart as the average person. I put him at 90-100. No, I don't like him, that's true. I didn't like Clinton, but the man was clearly far more intelligent than Bush. I detested Bush's father, but he also was clearly more intelligent. We have to go back to Reagan to find a president as dumb as Shrubya.

You mean we have to go back to a "dumb" president who brought the Soviets to their knees and ended the coldwar, as compared to a "smart" one who brought an intern to hers?

Now which would I choose?

	02-07-2002 22:30									#74
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Oh, one last thing Che, if money and connections is the only criteria to being elected, why aern't Forbes and Perot in the white house?

	02-07-2002 22:34									#75
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If anyone believes that a dumb person can't make it into the white house, all they have to do is look is look at Dan Qualye. No one can deny that he was a rather dim bulb, yet all it would have taken was a heart attack on the part of George Bush Sr. to make him the President.

	02-07-2002 22:36									#76
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Because, one, they don't have his charm. Nor do they have his connections. Heck, even the press was saying that Bush would be the next president, almost a year before the primaries. This guy wasn't elected, he was annointed. The election was a formality, albeit one that had to be fixed.

	02-07-2002 22:40									#77
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Sounds like sour grapes there Che

I dont think Bush is a rocket scientist, but I do think he's a better leader than Gore will ever be, and sometimes thats more important than IQ. I know lots and lots of people with high IQ's that shouldnt be allowed out without a keeper.

	02-07-2002 22:43									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 I can see your cranky, don't worry, mommy will be home soon to change that diaper.

Can you see my cranky? I don't even have a webcam!!

you don't HAVE to be intelligent to be American president (as history shows), but if i was a voter i'd certainly prefer someone who was!!!

BTW Chris why do you assume people who disagree with you are younger than you? and what bearing on the subject would it have anyway? Don't flatter yourself about the stature thing, (this is a board for a strat game, no big deal), I just like yanking your chain now and again!

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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH You mean we have to go back to a "dumb" president who brought the Soviets to their knees and ended the coldwar, as compared to a "smart" one who brought an intern to hers?

Reagan didn't bring the Soviets to their knees. They did that themselves. Reagan was a rather mediochre president, when the hype and bias are stripped away. By '84 it is clear he was no longer really in charge. According to the minutes of the meetings to which we have access, he slept through most of them. I believe him when he said he couldn't recall anything of Iran-Contra.

If you want an example of a right-wing President I consider smart, take Nixon. Clearly one of the most evil men to hold that office, and among the most corrupt. He was a danger to our democracy and human rights and came close to going to war with the USSR over the 1973 Arab-Israeli War. That doesn't mean I'd consider him dim.

	02-07-2002 22:45									#80
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever BTW Chris, nice idea for the sig, your name AND your IQ!!!!

Next personal insult from you, and you will be restricted with no warning...

	02-07-2002 22:46									#81
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Sounds like sour grapes there Che I do think he's a better leader than Gore will ever be, and sometimes thats more important than IQ.

Now I will agree with you there. I think Gore showed us how capable he is of handling a crisis in the Florida election BS. If Gore were competent to be President, he'd be President. Bush let his betters handle things for him.

	02-07-2002 22:48									#82
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Probably alot smarter than most people on this forum..

	02-07-2002 22:52									#83
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You really like tempting me, don't you? You're my own personal Lucifer.

	02-07-2002 22:54									#84
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara You really like tempting me, don't you? You're my own personal Lucifer.

I'm jealous. I was hoping for that title.

	02-07-2002 22:56									#85
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I'd guess he's about average, just a little bit on the mis-informed side.

You also have to remember that speeches are written for leaders, so often they aren't great at public speaking. Bush may say silly things, but that could be simply due to the pressure of millions of people staring at him through TV cameras, and that your mistakes can be seen again and again.

so about 110-120.

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	02-07-2002 22:57									#87
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Can you see my cranky? I don't even have a webcam!!

Your behavior says volumes.

quote: you don't HAVE to be intelligent to be American president (as history shows), but if i was a voter i'd certainly prefer someone who was!!!

Jimmy Carter was extremly intelligent and a terrible president.

quote: BTW Chris why do you assume people who disagree with you are younger than you? and what bearing on the subject would it have anyway? Don't flatter yourself about the stature thing, (this is a board for a strat game, no big deal), I just like yanking your chain now and again! YOUR'RE so pompus it's scary!!

You just feel the need, boy, you can't help it.

Age is not maturity, when you get a little older you may come to realize this.
Look at what's said in the thread, because they don't like him, he is a low grade moron to some, a golden child to others, a fool to a third, and based on what?

When told of his education, we hear how he had bad grades, that his schools wern't tough, he slid by on his old man's coattails...

All sour grapes.

Show proof, or shut up.

So simple even you can do it.

	02-07-2002 22:59									#88
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Reagan didn't bring the Soviets to their knees. They did that themselves. Reagan was a rather mediochre president, when the hype and bias are stripped away. By '84 it is clear he was no longer really in charge. According to the minutes of the meetings to which we have access, he slept through most of them. I believe him when he said he couldn't recall anything of Iran-Contra.

Prior to Reagen, there was no evidence that the SU would fall. They looked as strong as they ever had. I can say from personal knowledge that militarily they were at the height of their threat to us at that time. Reagens personal attitude toward them and the US military renewal scared the aging Soviet leadership (who had had it there way in US-Soviet relations for too long). I doubt that Reagen imagined that his policies would have the effect the did, but they were the catalyst for the eventual fall of the SU.

	02-07-2002 23:03									#89
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The fact that he has inadequate command of his mother tongue, even after a university education, should sound warning sirens.

At the very least he should be able to make acceptable public speeches. That is a basic skill needed for leadership, in the same way that an understanding of pipes is needed for plumbing, or ability to ride is needed for jockeying. But he can't.

	02-07-2002 23:06									#90
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So what, bad military test scores and mediocre grades aren't proof of less than average intelligence? The fact that the man hasn't succeeded at anything without the intense help of others doesn't say something about his abilities?

He can't answer unscripted questions well. He reads children the same book, over and over, The Hungry, Hungry Catipiller, (what, he can't read another book?), the fact that White House staffers go out of their way to talk about how smart Bush really is . . . it all smells of someone who's less than smart. Maybe I'm just used to really smart people, but he doesn't seem all that average to me.