07-07-2002 21:58									#31
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"The fourth factor is poor individual perception. People worry that the endless rise in the amount of stuff everyone throws away will cause the world to run out of places to dispose of waste. Yet, even if America's trash output continues to rise as it has done in the past, and even if the American population doubles by 2100, all the rubbish America produces through the entire 21st century will still take up only the area of a square, each of whose sides measures 28km (18 miles). That is just one-12,000th of the area of the entire United States."

How deep is it supposed to be?

	07-07-2002 21:58									#32
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Even though The Economist is the spawn of the devil,

Spawn of the Devil? Why is that?

	07-07-2002 22:01									#33
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I think landfills in the U.S. are pretty standard depths and lined with similar materials. 12 feet deep seems to ring a bell, but I don't remember.

Edit: No, 12 feet can't be right. Hmmm...

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	07-07-2002 22:51									#34
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those are impossible figures, DanS. Americans produce more than that in a year

	07-07-2002 22:57									#35
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The Economist = Bible

	07-07-2002 23:09									#36
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A model by Tom Wigley, one of the main authors of the reports of the UN Climate Change Panel, shows how an expected temperature increase of 2.1øC in 2100 would be diminished by the treaty to an increase of 1.9øC instead.

0.2 degrees isn't very bad at all, since even a mere 0.1 degrees can have a dramatic effect. Seems Kyoto is more usefull then I expected.

	07-07-2002 23:14									#37
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Spawn of the Devil? Why is that?

Poor fact-checking.

	07-07-2002 23:56									#38
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In case some of you did not know it, Calif. farm land can feed the entire United States pop.

Some years ago, early 90s, someone did a study. Using the state of Texas and they said that if we built a house 1500 sq. ft. with lot to support and fill up the state of Texas from border to border every single person in the World would fit. The State of Texas will hold more than 6 billion people.

	08-07-2002 00:43									#39
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The comment on percetion is completely accurate:

The current problems we have with crowding, food distribution and waste of resources have nothing to to with the material realities and our abilities to do better but with political and economic ideology, which means more to us than reality (better dead than wrong). If we don't feed every human being like we can (enough food), its because we believe that people are egotistical f*ckers that will balk at helping one another if they are not getting paid enough to buy that second TV. The problem is that we teach people that they are egotitical f*ckers who would kill grandma for a big-screen tv, so why would they grow up into anything else?

But Che is right, this planet and life on it have 4 billion years to go, even if we egotistical monkeys all die out, so, where is my goddamned new TV!

	08-07-2002 00:58									#40
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See, evolution has made us who we are to turn "against" nature and force ourselves off the planet. This is the process required for life to continue forever.

	08-07-2002 01:06									#41
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We shall see....

But with global warming and the rest... maybe not destory but there will be a huge drop in human population worldwide.

	08-07-2002 01:41									#42
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Chegitz:

Do you have a link or something to your statement regarding our solar system passing through a galactic dust cloud within a few thousand years? That's the first I've heard of such a scenario and I would like to read more about it.

Gatekeeper

	08-07-2002 01:53									#43
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Not a link, no. It was an article in the Chicago Tribune a few years back. Dust clouds are rather ubqiuitous, and not all of them are lit up by stars inside them. According to the article, we're on an intercept course with one. It won't cut light off from the sun, but it will cause the sunlight reaching Earth to diminish very slightly, and it only takes tilting the planet to create winter. You could try running a search for it at www.chicagotribune.com.

	08-07-2002 02:49									#44
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quote: Poor fact-checking.

Don't you mean: not asking permission of the Pentagon before posting articles?

	08-07-2002 05:07									#45
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48 years? Oh well, just time for another bath....

	08-07-2002 05:33									#46
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We really, really have to get off this rock.

	08-07-2002 05:44									#47
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...you first

	08-07-2002 05:49									#48
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I have heard about the dust cloud also..........

In about 8,000 years this region of the galaxy will colide with a massive hydrogen gas cloud(not dense enough to form a star.....its a semi-permanent nebula), filling much of our solar system with hydrogen-this will wreak ecological devistation on our planet.

	08-07-2002 06:04									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison ...you first

I wish...

	08-07-2002 06:07									#50
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By 2050 I'll probably be dead, certainly near to it. I'll be about 87.

So I don't care

	08-07-2002 06:07									#51
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Why do these doom and gloom forecasts always have a date certain attached to them? It's almost like those "lose 37 pounds in 2 weeks!" commercials.

	08-07-2002 07:24									#52
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Why do these doom and gloom forecasts always have a date certain attached to them? It's almost like those "lose 37 pounds in 2 weeks!" commercials.

Civilization III has already warned us of this!

Every time you play Civilization III, if you dont win by normal means then it ends at 2050. This represents the disappearance of resources.

But.....There is no way to end it unless you hack the game! This reperesents that we will have to take some durastic measures to avert this disaster because if we dont, there is no convential way to avert it.

Sorry, I'm bored.

	08-07-2002 13:34									#53
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quote: Civilization III has already warned us of this! Every time you play Civilization III, if you dont win by normal means then it ends at 2050. This represents the disappearance of resources

It used to be 2020 in Civ and CivII,
thus I'm sure that when civIV will be released it'll be streched to 2080.

Oh, btw, before 2050 we'll already have faced a gigantic world war, destroying 50% of the world's population.