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of the Undead
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time: 05:20
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FYI, "spare the rod and spoil the child" is referring to a Shepherd's rod...it's saying if you don't guide your child (note: GUIDE, not BEAT SENSELESS), you will end up with Mowgli.
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Originally posted by The diplomat
Yes, but wishing your own parents dead is a very grave offense! |
Well, they will die anyway.
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Lincoln
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I think an excerpt from a letter from Gorky to Stalin should explain a little bit why atheists like to twist the scriptures to their own ends. I have never met one Christian who would do that to a child but I suppose it is important to the cause of atheism to paint all Christians with a broad brush. I could just as easily (and dishonestly) call all atheists minnions of Stalin or Mao Tse tung, but I won't stoop to their level of debate. Here is the excerpt:
It is furthermore imperative to put the propaganda of atheism on solid ground. You won't achieve much with the weapons of Marx and materialism, as we have seen. Materialism and religion are two different planes and they don't coincide.... For this reason, there should be courses set up at the Communist Academy which would not only treat the history of religion, and mainly the history of the Christian church, i.e., the study of church history as politics.
We need to know the "fathers of the church," the apologists of Christianity, especially indispensable to the study of the history of Catholicism, the most powerful and intellectual church organization whose political significance is quite clear. We need to know the history of church schisms, heresies, the Inquisition, the "religious" wars, etc. Every quotation by a believer is easily countered with dozens of theological quotations which contradict it.
We cannot do without an edition of the "Bible" with critical commentaries from the Tubingen school and books on criticism of biblical texts, which could bring a very useful "confusion into the minds" of believers.
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I think that all atheists worship Joseph Stalin. 
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JohnIII
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Why is it dishonest to quote the Bible?
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Originally posted by MikeH
What's the difference between that, TV evangelists and the catholic church? |
TV Evangelists suck too
Jon Mliler
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Lincoln
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Because it claims to be subject to a spiritual interpretation. It is like me quoting from a stock market ticker and trying to prove the theory of relativity. For example, Jesus told the children to come to him and he blessed them while rebuking his disciples for refusing them. How can anyone but a dishonest or ignorant person twist what Jesus actually did and said to mean that it is OK to beat a child like this. He drove out 'money changers' and religious hypocrites with a whip and there is no mention that he ever struck anyone. Of course these are all minor points to some I suppose.
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Lincoln
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I have never met a Christian who supports that. And a 'true' Christian does not kill his kids. I can call myself an orange blossom but that does not mean I will turn into an orange. It was Jesus himself that said his name would be misused by people claiming to be doing God a favor. It is just as fair for me to blame atheists for all the murders that people like Stalin committed as it is to accuse Christians of condoning this. I have studied the Bible for about 25 years and I never once felt justified by scripture to beat a kid like that. You mix the old testament with the new and forget that the Bible makes a division there. That is dishonest.
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Lincoln
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That was never addressed to Christians. There were no Christians in the Old Testament.
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Many of the punishments and consequences, etc, some of you are referring to is the Law of Moses, which if I remember correctly ended with the first coming of Jesus.
And he's not God in the flesh, he's the Son of God. Different people, in my religion.
Many of you are misinterpreting the Bible, or picking the worst examples to use. What about the ones being meek,humble, love thy neighbor?
The Crusades, Inquisition, etc, happened after the Crucifixion, i.e. during the Dark Ages, or the Apostasy, where the true gospel and church of Christ had been taken off the face of the earth.
If this is just another attempt to demonize religion and Christianity in particular, you haven't succeeded IMO.
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Verto
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I don't want to go too much into my own personal religious beliefs, unless someone wants to discuss it with me privately, so this may sound conceited, holier-than-thou, the only true church of Christ, that has all his gospel restored, is the LDS(Mormon) church. And in my church, we are firmly opposed to child/spouse abuse, neglect, rape, murder. If it had been a Mormon who had done such a thing, he would have been SEVERELY punished, like excommunicated(kicked out). We wouldn't tolerate it, like the Catholic priests are tolerated. Like I said, this sounds conceited when it hasn't been explained.
Have you ever seen K-PAX? You remember the part where they are talking about right and wrong, and Kevin Spacey says(paraphrased, not exact words), "Everyone being in the universe is born knowing right from wrong."
Many people who call themselves Christian or "true christians" do so only so they can hide behind it. THEY know whom they are serving - God or Satan, and I believe they will one day be judged because of what they did.
Morals are not a democracy, IMO: People may try to change things to fit in with a changing society that is leaning away from God, but my morals stay the same: man changes, God does not.
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