12-07-2002 09:06									#91
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thank you, black dragon... your interest in my moral values poll is appreciated

	12-07-2002 09:09									#92
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I don't have any morals.

	12-07-2002 09:11									#93
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Actually this is one of the most interesting polls I've seen on a forum.

	12-07-2002 09:13									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer thank you, black dragon... your interest in my moral values poll is appreciated

Much obliged. But care to defend your recent words with regard to the bible saying "judge not lest ye be judged"

	12-07-2002 09:21									#95
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Immoral? Not really. The standard is lighter than that, though, it was "okay." Despite the misleading name of the thread, that's what the question says.

Isn't then the desire to watch porn/have premarital relations inborn?

Premarital relations inborn? You can argue that the sex drive is inborn, but I highly doubt our genes know what marriage is.

As for porn, again, sex drive might be inborn, but there are other reasons for why porn isn't a good idea.

I mean, maybe the thrill at going 100 mph is inborn, but if you run somebody over...

	12-07-2002 10:24									#96
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Why do people think it is okay not to inform authorities about child abuse/neglect or spousal abuse?

	12-07-2002 10:29									#97
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do you know how often people do not inform the authorities?

I surprised that so many people think it is wrong to not inform the authorities

Jon Miller

	12-07-2002 10:34									#98
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Black Dragon:

All of Christian doctrine is not applicable in today's world... desperate times call for desperate measures...

	13-07-2002 10:04									#99
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The problem(?) is that this poll is pretty vague. There could be extenuating circumstances in which nearly anything on the list could be morally justifiable.

Curse and swear Yeah sure.
Tell a lie to family and friends Generally a bad thing to do. Even if the lies seem justifiable at first, they'll often spiral out of control and cause unforeseen damage.
Call in sick eventhough I'm/they're not Yeah sure, as long as you're not backing out on an important obligation by doing so.
Drink alcohol Bring back prohition! Alcohol is the devil! (Pass the beer.)
Smoke tobacco Sure, just don't be an ass about it.
Smoke marihuana Ditto for tobacco.
Take drugs, i.e. speed, cocaine, heroin etc. Fine, but you're culpable for anything you do under the influence.
Drive while under the influence of alcohol, marihuana or drugs Any circumstances in which this could be justified are extremely far-fetched, so I'll go ahead and label this a "no."
Run a red light Done it a few times. I hate driving on a deserted street at 3:00am and hitting three red lights. As far as I'm concerned, red lights turn into stop signs if the street is deserted.
Watch/read pornography Yeah sure.
Have same sex relations Count me out, but have yourself a ball.
Go through a divorce Yup, not every marriage is a match made in heaven.
Cheat on my/their spouse or significant other No. I can't think of a single circumstance in which this is justified.
Borrow money, knowing I/they can't repay the lender on time I'd consider this to be a second cousin to theft, so you'd better have a damn good reason for doing it.
Cheat on my/their tax return See above.
Cheat on welfare/social benefits See above.
Steal items at the supermarket See above, except that this is theft, not just a second cousin to it.
Have an abortion First trimester: Yes, the embryo is not a self-aware being. Second trimester: Debatable. Third trimester: No, the third trimester fetus is developed to the point where it ought to be considered a self-aware being.
Have artificial fertilization performed No problem.
Have an organ transplant performed No problem.
Physically correct or punish my/their kids Abuse is right out, but a swat on the ass isn't abuse.
Not inform authorities of child abuse/neglect or spousal abuse No. I can't think of a single circumstance in which this is justifiable.
Kill another person in self defense Yup.
Kill another person, not in self defense Yes (defense of another, f'rinstance).

	13-07-2002 10:22									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov To those who voted yes on drunk driving: You're repugnant morons. Really.

I know I am but what are you.

Wait... did I get that round the wrong way again?

	13-07-2002 10:25									#101
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quote: Originally posted by loinburger Have artificial fertilization performed No problem. Have an organ transplant performed No problem. Kill another person in self defense Yup. Kill another person, not in self defense Yes (defense of another, f'rinstance).

The trouble going through these one by one is the same as with most things; by the end you get bored and realise you haven't much to say for ALL of them only some and therefore are forced to resort to one word answers.

	13-07-2002 10:27									#102
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An alternative is to go through them one by one, giving one word answers for all of them.

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Curse and swear **** yes
Tell a lie to family and friends Nope
Call in sick eventhough I'm/they're not Depends on how often, and what for
Drink alcohol Sure
Smoke tobacco Go for it, just not infront of me
Smoke marihuana Go for it, just not infront of me
Take drugs, i.e. speed, cocaine, heroin etc. Go for it, just not infront of me
Drive while under the influence of alcohol, marihuana or drugs Absolutely not
Run a red light Absolutely not
Watch/read pornography Absolutely yes!
Have same sex relations Yep
Go through a divorce Yep
Cheat on my/their spouse or significant other Absolutely not
Cheat on my/their tax return Absolutely not
Cheat on welfare/social benefits Absolutely not
Steal items at the supermarket Absolutely not
Have an abortion No comment
Have artificial fertilization performed Sure
Have an organ transplant performed Sure .
Physically correct or punish my/their kids I don't have kids so I shouldn't comment
Not inform authorities of child abuse/neglect or spousal abuse Always inform for this.
Kill another person in self defense Yes, although it shouldn't be intentional killing. You should aim to disable, but if the killing still happens no biggie
Kill another person, not in self defense REALLY depends. If you rape and kill my friend, I could very likely kill you.

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quote: Originally posted by loinburger An alternative is to go through them one by one, giving one word answers for all of them.

Yes but as you can see above/below Asher does things backwards...

	13-07-2002 20:09									#105
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Curse and swear Yes
Tell a lie to family and friends Depends, but yes
Call in sick eventhough I'm/they're not Yes
Drink alcohol Oooh yeah!
Smoke tobacco Yep
Smoke marihuana Ooohhh yeah!
Take drugs, i.e. speed, cocaine, heroin etc. Yep, it´s up to you if you want to put **** in your veins.
Drive while under the influence of alcohol, marihuana or drugs Definetly not.
Run a red light No
Watch/read pornography
Have same sex relations Yes.
Go through a divorce Yes.
Cheat on my/their spouse or significant other No way!
Borrow money, knowing I/they can't repay the lender on time§ Depends on who you´re borrowing from.
Cheat on my/their tax return No.
Cheat on welfare/social benefits No.
Steal items at the supermarket Nope.
Have an abortion Yes, of course!
Have artificial fertilization performed Yes.
Have an organ transplant performed Yes.
Physically correct or punish my/their kids Definetly not!
Not inform authorities of child abuse/neglect or spousal abuse No.
Kill another person in self defense Yes.
Kill another person, not in self defense It depends, but mostly no.

	14-07-2002 11:27									#106
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Weird, highest one is "Have an organ transplant performed".

	14-07-2002 15:44									#107
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It´s not so weird is it? I´d say that it proves that there´s few Johovas Witnesses here