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Winston is offline Winston
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Carl Lewis should get honourable mention. Dominant in dash and especially the long jump for a long time, copied Jesse Owens' four 1936 Olympic Golds in 1984, plus he was a clean athlete and a fair player who could serve as a role model for aspiring young athletes.

Other contestants: Pele (actually awarded Greatest Sportsman of the 20th Century, can't remember by whom), Paavo Nurmi (totally dominant in long distance running in his time) and Martina Navratilova (already mentioned).

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All good choices there Winston

Carl Lewis was a wonderful athlete.

I wonder how Navratilova's record compares with others...

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Stories of Bradman's sociopathic behaviour and misanthropy are legendary. You have been completely duped. He's about as admirable as Mussolini.


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There are several possibilities...

Paavo Nurmi (running)
Pele (football)
Sergey Bubka (pole-vault)
Carl Lewis (running)
Mark Spitz (swimming)
Nadja Comanescki (gymnastic)
.... the list is endless...

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It's very difficult to narrow it down to one but I'd go to Nick Galis (most of you probably don't know him) because of the impact he had on the game of Basketball in Greece on and off the field.

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Are you seriously telling me you haven't heard any negative Bradman stories?

Here's one for you. A film maker did a positively worshipful telemovie on the Don's life. Bradman cooperated with the production. In one scene Bradman is shown with a glass of beer in his hand. Bradman was furious and never spoke to the filmmaker again - he just sent him a rude letter, which he often did when people offended him in the slightest way.

That's your heroe for you

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Wayne Gretzky. Very few people have dominated a sport like he did. He was also a great sportsman and a class act.

EDIT: These are the NHL records that Gretzky holds;

Goals: 894 (second place: Gordie Howe 801)
Assists: 1,961 (second place Howe 1,049)
Points: 2,855 (second place Howe: 1,850)
Goals, incl. Playoffs: 1,016 (second place Howe: 869)
Assists, incl. Playoffs: 2,221 (second place Paul Coffey: 1226)
Points, incl. Playoffs: 3,237 (second place Howe:2010)
Most 100-point seasons 15 (Second place: Mario Lemieux with 10)
Consecutive 100-point seasons 13
Goals, single season 92
Assists, single season 163
Points, single season 215
Goals in season’s first 50 games 61
Fastest 50 goals from start of season 39 Games
Consecutive 60-goal seasons 4
Most 40-goal seasons: 12
Consecutive 40-goal seasons: 12
Most 50-goal seasons
(tied with Mike Bossy) 9
Most 60-goal seasons
(tied with Mike Bossy) 5
Hat tricks: 50
Assists per game: 1.32
Points per game: 1.93
Goals by a center: 894
Assists by a center: 1,961
Points by a center: 2,855
Overtime assists: 15
Hat tricks, single season 10
Goals per game, single season 1.18
Assists per game, single season 2.04
Points per game, single season 2.77
Goals, incl. playoffs, single season 100
Assists, incl. playoffs, single season 174
Points, incl. playoffs, single season 255
Goals by a center, single season 92
Assists by a center, single season 163
Points by a center, single season 215
Consecutive point-scoring streak 51 Games
Consecutive assist-scoring streak 23 Games
Assists, single game (tied with Billy Taylor) 7
Assists, road game (tied with Billy Taylor) 7
Assists by rookie, single game 7
Goals, one period (tied with nine others) 4
Goals, playoffs, 122
Assists, playoffs, 260
Points, playoffs, 382
Game-winners, playoffs, 22
Hat tricks, playoffs, 8
Assists, playoffs, one year 31
Points, playoffs, one year 47
Short-handed goals, playoffs, one year (tied with four others) 3
Assists, playoffs, one series (tied with Rick Middleton) 14
Assists, Stanley Cup Finals 10
Points, Stanley Cup Finals 13
Assists, playoffs, one game (tied with Mikko Leinonen) 6
Short-handed goals, playoffs, one game (tied with six others) 2
Points, Playoffs, one period (tied with 10 others) 4
Goals, All-Star Game, 13 1
Assists, All-Star Game, (tied with four others) 12
Points, All-Star Game, 25
Goals, All-Star Game, one game (tied with three others) 4
Goals, All-Star Game, one period 4
Points, All-Star Game, one period 4

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Are you seriously telling me you haven't heard any negative Bradman stories?

Here's one for you. A film maker did a positively worshipful telemovie on the Don's life. Bradman cooperated with the production. In one scene Bradman is shown with a glass of beer in his hand. Bradman was furious and never spoke to the filmmaker again - he just sent him a rude letter, which he often did when people offended him in the slightest way.

That's your heroe for you


Cursed swine! THAT'S IT! DELETE HIM FROM THE RECORD BOOKS!!

Why can't he be infallible like all the other sporting greats?

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Michael Schumacher is not a good sportsman. In fact, he's one of the worst sportsmen there is.

Granted, he's good at his sport, but that alone doesn't make him a contestant for greatest sportsman. He'd have to be a little less of a cheat and double crossing bastard to have that label attached.

Not a role model for anybody.

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Michael Schumacher is not a good sportsman. In fact, he's one of the worst sportsmen there is.

Granted, he's good at his sport, but that alone doesn't make him a contestant for greatest sportsman. He'd have to be a little less of a cheat and double crossing bastard to have that label attached.

Not a role model for anybody.


You and I are agreeing a lot today

Perhaps the worst Schumacher incident was when he deliberately crashed into another driver to stop him winning the World Drivers Championship in the last race of the season. What an arsehole.

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I 100% agree. The guy is a total *******, and he got what he deserved back in 97 when trying to punt my man Jaques off the track in that finale.

But guys.... the man learned to go-kart in the rain flawlessly when he was three years old. He is a bloody good (although not honorable) sportsman.

Then again... if I ever find out Ferrari did use traction control back when it was illegal (which they very well could of), the bastard loses all credibility.

to cheaters

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I agree on Gretsky.
M.J. too should be mentioned.
In a (rare) patriotic moment I'd mention also Lorenzo Bernardi, best volley player of the century.

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M.J??? Michael Jackson an athlete ???

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Or how about Paul Oakenfold, known for railing coke off of the decks?

He's an athlete... if spinning records was a sport... no really

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M.J does not stand for... Michael Jackson.
It stand for....Milla Jovovich

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Walter Lindrum (billiards) they changed the rules to try and stop him dominating the sport.

Hubert Opperman. (cycling) almost unstopable.

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Michael Jordan (no doubt the MJ Sloth refers to) must be one of the best known athletes in the world. Only Ali and Pele are probably more widly known. Not only the single most dominating smallish player in basketball history (Bill Russel would be the most dominating big man, 11 titles in 13 years), also at the forefront of turning sport into a big money enterprise (good or bad I don't know, influential in any case).

Another nomination must go to Sir Steven Redgrave. Winner of 5 consecutive gold medals in rowing between 1984 and 2000, must be counted as one of the single most amazing feats of physical consistency ever seen.

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My pick would be Muhammad Ali, whose probably more popular outside of the United States than at home. Other contenders in boxing would be Joe Lewis and Rocky Marciano.


Defineatly Ali, not just for what he accomplished but for the number of years he did it over,he beat the best for 20 years.

As for Marciano, don't be fooled by the 49-0 recored he's not even one of the top ten heavywieghts of all time, let alone the greatest sportsman, he had hand picked opponents on the way up and made six title defences all against either bloated light heavyweights or old men, and a time when heavyweight boxing was a low ebb, there's plenty of boxers with better credentials.

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Forget Schumie. Fangio was the greatest Grand Prix driver.

Other greats...

Athletics-

Ed Moses (400m hurdles)
Jan Zelazny (Javelin)
Jesse Owens (sprints & high jump)
Daley Thompson (Decathlon)

Boxing-

Marvin Hagler
Julio Cesar Chavez
Sugar Ray Robinson
Joe Louis.

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Jesse Owens wasn't a high-jumper he was a long-jumper.

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A mere 90 degrees out.

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I could go for Edwin Moses as a contestant as well. Astounding performance each and every time for nearly a decade.

Although I really hate to nominate a Swede, I think Ingemar Stenmark (alpine skiing, mainly slalom) deserves a place here as well.

And how about Olga Korbut (gymnastics)?

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A vote here for Jesse Owens, for what he did on the track as well as off it. Saw some interviews with him a couple of years ago. The man was very intelligent, very articulate, and a class act from top to bottom. And he was a true amateur in the financial sense.

Paavo Nurmi and Roger Bannister get honorable mention since I used to run cross country.

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Mo mention of Pete Sampras - even though he was as boring as hell, but well when he was at his best -noone could touch him, and that lasted for a while.

Mohamed Ali was one of the better charachters in sport that is for sure.

Other than that, Michael Schumacher, even though he had luch - if we can say so - that Senna died when he started, and there was noone to challange him properly. -Senna had Prost, and there was usually some decent competition, unlike now. Hakinnen - Hill , etc all had better cars when they have won. When Michael has the best car now it is not even a contest.

Michael Jordan - can you do without him, he was more than outstanding.

What else, Pele, Maradonna in football.

Miguel Indurain in cycling.

Ingemar Stenmark - Alpine Skiing.

Matti Nikennen - Ski jumping

Sergei Bubka - well he must qualify as the most dominant in his discipline ever! He did not have any competition for a long time (apart from a few glitches when he did not jump as far as he normally did)

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Hubert Opperman. (cycling) almost unstopable.


Ever heared of a guy named Eddy Merckx?

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Football: Diego Maradonna

Cycling: Eddy Merckx

Skating: Eric Heiden


And why do people keep calling formula 1 a sport

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Michael Jordan - Basket
Juan Manuel Fangio - F1 Racing
Maradona/Pele - Football
Bjon Borg - Tennis
David Campese - Rugby
Mark Spitz - Swimming

 
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