02-08-2002 03:44									#31
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Literature and the Great Library should be top priority because wer're dying for a tech boost so we can crush France soon with Knights and get us out of the stinking swamp.

	02-08-2002 04:40									#32
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I would normally say Literature so we can get the Great Library, but building military, settlers, and other improvements are much more important for the moment. Also, we don't have any cities with a decent production.

Although Republic is overall better than Monarchy, we'll need the police happiness since we only have one luxury.

Right now, expansion is our primary objective and we need to reduce corruption as much as possible. So I say that we go with a new government: Monarchy.

	02-08-2002 05:16									#33
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I must admit that I never considered the part about Republic not allowing any military police... but still, I guess we can make up for it by alloting more money for entertainment, and besides we'll have wines if the French campaign is successful. Still, at the moment we'll be better off with monarchy...
IMHO Monarchy should be our choice of government, but once we secure more luxuries and maybe have a cathedral/colosseum or two we should switch to republic.

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	02-08-2002 06:13									#34
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Well it looks like we can soon get currency and construction, so I think it is time to decide what gov we want. Though lets face it we will buy it from somebody.
Also question(since i am to lazy to figure it out myself) did our putting research into techs make currency less( we can get it for 279 and const for 372), or is currency just naturally less. This is an important question since the answer will determine if it is worth in to research techs or not.
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	02-08-2002 11:39									#35
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Currency is naturally more worth : before the AI had it, we couldn't get it in less than 40 turns, even at 100% science. However, at 100% science we could have got constrution in 30 turns or so.

	04-08-2002 20:42									#36
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hi ,

go for the great lib , the use the money that comes free for a large army , ......

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	05-08-2002 01:49									#37
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Unfortunantly panag, we've looked into this and it seems highly unlikely (next to impossible) we'd be the first to build the great library. Our best hope is it will be built in Paris.

	05-08-2002 01:55									#38
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quote: Our best hope is that it will be built in Paris.

Correction: Our self-delusional hope is that it will be built in Paris.

	05-08-2002 02:21									#39
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Well it is our last best hope. Doesn't mean it will happen.

	05-08-2002 03:46									#40
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I agree with Shiber's first point. Republic's extra trade makes it worth our while even if we are unable to use police. I can't be sure, but I believe that the increase in trade, if it were all allocated to Entertainment, would more than make up for the loss of martial law. There should be some left over for science, and with that on top of losing the Despotism penalty we'll reach Literacy, and later Feudalism, Monotheism, Chivalry, Engineering, Invention, Gunpowder (or whatever tech train we choose) a lot quicker than otherwise.

It will take a while, but if Republic means that we get the strong weapons of the Medieval era a lot quicker (and an approximate 3:2 ratio is what I've experienced in my games), then it could very well be superior to Monarchy, from a strategic point of view. As Shiber said, we can always switch to Monarchy if necessary, or, if we haven't acquired that yet, even back to Despotism.

In a way, Republic is perfect for the jungle -- it doesn't matter whether a square was already producing trade or not; you get the extra gold all the same.

Just my two cents.

Adam

	05-08-2002 07:23									#41
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quote: Originally posted by AdamTG02 In a way, Republic is perfect for the jungle -- it doesn't matter whether a square was already producing trade or not; you get the extra gold all the same.

Really? I thought the tile had to produce commerce. Only one, but I thought it did.

	05-08-2002 07:34									#42
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I may be thinking of SMAC, where Free Market doesn't need you to produce commerce.

When I get back home I'll check.

	05-08-2002 17:07									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse Unfortunantly panag, we've looked into this and it seems highly unlikely (next to impossible) we'd be the first to build the great library. Our best hope is it will be built in Paris.

hi ,

look at it again , ........
some people took the game on the side and did build it , they played ahead just for that , there outcome , we can win under 1.21f with a mere 55% , ........

so reason enough to look at it again , and the shields we collect can be used for something else if they have it first , ....

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	05-08-2002 20:53									#44
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Right now we are preparing for war so we can't divert enough shields to make that effort.

	06-08-2002 03:13									#45
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Yep, looks like I confused that with SMAC. Republic does need an arrow already there to give bonus trade.

That makes it seem a bit less appetizing.

	06-08-2002 03:20									#46
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Wait, panag. You're telling us the result of someone playing ahead? That is grounds for some serious trouble.

	06-08-2002 19:17									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse Right now we are preparing for war so we can't divert enough shields to make that effort.

hi ,

in order to make more shields , we need to grow

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	06-08-2002 19:27									#48
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Wait, panag. You're telling us the result of someone playing ahead? That is grounds for some serious trouble.

hi ,

nope , not playing ahead , "strategic planning" , testing , seeing if this or that theory is working , loads of people do it , ....!

and this should be done by more people to , it can only be more intresting , ...

not 40 turns ahead or so , just take the turn we are in now , see what happens if you break this or that , in that turn , then go back with autosave , play that turn with breaking something else , learning the species that invade our breathing space , ....

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	06-08-2002 19:29									#49
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Wait, panag. You're telling us the result of someone playing ahead? That is grounds for some serious trouble.

hi ,

and nope , "panag" has nothing to do with it

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