04-10-2002 15:11									#301
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I've downloaded it 5 minutes ago. It worked.

	04-10-2002 15:59									#302
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I had loads of problems with downloading zips from the directory yesterday. It seemed to be a database-wide problem and not linked to a few specific files.

	04-10-2002 19:00									#303
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quote: Originally posted by alexman I replaced the file - if it still doesn't work, it's probably not my fault!

alexman,

Thanks for checking. Thought my ISP's caching proxy servers needed to be rebooted or something, which usually requires some eternally long and boring waits on hold while they check...

It would seem that Apolyton has some decisions to make about this site. Guess it's time for some fresh blood so MarkG and DanQ can do some PtW testing. Hate to see something this good go more commercial but maybe it's time to up the advertising rates so they can get some more cpu time and bandwidth. After all they have the traffic.

Otherwise their great empire will be remembered only in our bloody dreams of conquest as is Ozymandias' empire on the sands.


D.

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

-Shelly

	04-10-2002 19:07									#304
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Oh yeah, I just checked this morning and the download is working again.


D.

	04-10-2002 19:20									#305
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That poem's great!

	04-10-2002 22:39									#306
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quote: Originally posted by alexman Chariots and War Chariots are a special case because they are both at the beginning of an upgrade chain. Horsemen and WC both upgrade to Knights, that's why the Egyptians can build them both. Sir Ralph, are you sure about mounted warriors? I would have sworn that the Iroquois can't build them after Chivalry unless they have no iron.

I've seen it too. I think that you can build your UU even when it is outdated if you have not had your Golden Age yet.

Mike G

	04-10-2002 22:47									#307
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quote: Originally posted by IthacaMike ...if you have not had your Golden Age yet.

If this is true, then we will have some very upset Persians (assuming they had their GA in the Ancient Age)with the current version of the AU mod.

	05-10-2002 18:00									#308
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Something I learned from the recent chat at Civfanatics: The Medieval Infantry has Feudalism as a prereq and upgrades to the Guerilla. IMO, there won't be a need to tinker with this feature in a PtW AU mod.

	05-10-2002 18:17									#309
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I noticed a small error in the 1.04 readme: In the 'Changes to AI build-often list' section, the Iroquois 'Off. land units' should be 'added', not 'original', and 'Explore' should be 'removed'.

	05-10-2002 19:39									#310
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Lockstep,
Do you know what is preq. of Guerrila?

	05-10-2002 20:29									#311
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From the Civfanatics chat:

[17:29] <@Chieftess> (Hygro) once again whats the info about guerrillas? You fraxians won't answer...
[17:29] <+Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> Hygro: What about guerillas?
[17:29] <+FXS_Sombrero> Hygro: they are great units. All you need to know
[17:30] <+FXS_Speed_Bump> Hygro: somebody else did...6-6-1
[17:30] <+Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> 6.6.1, Replaceable Parts required, cost 90. Most other units upgrade to them

EDIT: IMO, Mike's last sentence is a hint that Longbowmen will also upgrade to Guerillas.

Last edited by lockstep on 05-10-2002 at 20:34

	06-10-2002 05:52									#312
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Iv'e noticed a bug: When you build nuclear plants and hydro plants, they sometimes disappear after you have built them and you have to do it all over again. This continues infefinitely, but only for certain cities. I noted it in AU 106. Is this bug specific for AU or have you seen it in other games?

	06-10-2002 05:57									#313
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Speaking of bugs... I can;t upgrade Legionaries to the new Longbowmen. Is there something I don;t understand?

	06-10-2002 10:10									#314
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus Speaking of bugs... I can;t upgrade Legionaries to the new Longbowmen. Is there something I don;t understand?

What you don't understand is that I am an idiot and I don't learn from my mistakes. I forgot to add the "upgrade unit" flag again... sorry!

Olaf, I can't imagine why this mod would have the effect you are observing, but I have never seen it in other games either.

	06-10-2002 10:24									#315
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So, no upgrading Legions to the new LBs?

No problem... I would have been using it for the 0-Bombard more than anything.

Interesting situation, btw... given the situation in AU 107, I mostly prefer the 3 defense of Legions anyway. Do hps play any role in bombardment? I've got a bunch of original reg Warriors upgraded to Legions, and it seemed to me that they'd make great stack accomplices just for the 0-bombard, if upgraded to LBs.

	06-10-2002 10:38									#316
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AU mod 1.05 (what AU mod 1.04 should have been) is up. Sorry again.

	06-10-2002 10:45									#317
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alexman, have you played any of AU 107 yet? I'm intrigued by Catt's report that in stock mode the AI civs are mining... I have to say, using 1.04, I am BLOWN AWAY by the AI civs. I would classify Persia, Germany, and Russia as 'killers,' with Babylon right behind, and France, as always doing well, next up.

In fact, the basic critique I would have would be spacing... otherwise, they are doing what I would expect the best human players to do (scary).

	06-10-2002 10:50									#318
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I have played enough of 107 to know that I am getting my butt kicked, but not enough to know the entire map yet. I'll definitely keep an eye on the monster we have created and let you know.

	24-10-2002 06:17									#319
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I just finished my first game with AU 1.05 last night.

Level: Regent
Civ: Germans (first try, you gotta love those Panzers! )
Everything else random.

Got a continents map with a nice starting spot. I built 2-3 cities then archer rushed the Americans which respawned somewhere farther away. I then eliminated the English with knights (and later built my FP in London) and the Aztecs with Cavs. I used the Americans as a punching bag to get out of mobilization (between Hoover and Modern). I gained control of my continent at that date and I had a pretty productive empire (even managed to build the Iron Works, my first time since I bought the game )

I nailed most of the wonders and I have become a killer civ


1- Ships were really present in my game. Although I did not build an awful lot, I have seen many AI-AI naval fights off my coasts.

For that reason, it would be fun if you could build privateers later on in the game. I could have weakened them even more with a bunch of denationalized ships. I had a couple and I didn't upgrade them to destroyer because they lost their principal attraction.

2- I have seen a lot of AI-AI wars: The Japanese crushed the Chinese, the Zulu then attacked the newly conquered Japanese cities but the Japs allied with the Persians to fight off the Zulu and the Americans. It ended in a relative tie. All this without my involvment!!

Civs are more aggressive against each other, I like it!

3- I have not seen any difference in mining/irrigation. The AI still irrigate plains and run a checkered pattern on grassland, even though they don't need that much irrigation.

This feature must be hard coded... Too bad!

4- The new LB is great and I like the upgrade of swordmen.

5- Stayed in Monarchy and Democracy so I could not try the newly improved communism. Maybe free unit support for democracy makes it a bit too powerful... but I have seen many AI democracies.

That's about it. If you want screenshots or a save, let me know, I'll post one!!

--Kon--

	27-10-2002 22:32									#320
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I know this is a dumb question that I'm sure I've seen the answer to many times before, but how do you install a mod?

	27-10-2002 23:59									#321
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PB, it's a scenario... just put the BIC file in your scenario folder, and instead of starting a new game, load the AU Mod scenario.

	28-10-2002 00:02									#322
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oic, thank you. This is the first time I've altered the game (other than patches).

	29-10-2002 19:00									#323
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I have noticed a rather annoying bug in the au mod.

The AI researches medicine before RR due to the fact that medicine now have a wonder, which makes the AI chose that over RR

	29-10-2002 22:46									#324
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i don't think that's a bug or even a problem.

	30-10-2002 05:27									#325
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The mod is supposed to make the AI more of a threat. The change in question does exactly the opposite.

	30-10-2002 05:35									#326
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I was under the impression that the only factors an AI considers when selecting which tech to research is the tech's value and the civ's preferences, as listed in the editor. Steam Power has a value of 120, Medicine of 100. So without preferences, the AI will always choose Steam Power over Medicine. But some civs are (I might get the specifics wrong here) Industrious and thus prefer Medicine, which Expansionist civs covet more.

Anyone know for sure (don't worry, I'm not bringing any talk of probability in this thread!)?


Dominae

	30-10-2002 19:02									#327
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No, wonders definitely have an impact on tech value. Ever wondered about the AI not wanting music theory after bach is completed?

It also would explain why the AI always research astronomy before banking..

	30-10-2002 19:35									#328
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yxhuvud, your point is well taken concerning Music Theory and Bach's. However, I've seen the AI research Banking before Astronomy on many occasions. In any case, in my (admittedly few) games played with the most recent AU mod, the civs have not showed a clear preference for Medicine over Steam Power.


Dominae

	30-10-2002 20:01									#329
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I wonder if we should not drop that Longevity wonder entirely and solve this way the situation Medicine vs. Steam Power. It's not only useless, but counterproductive. Or perhaps we should give it another power, like making continental Aqueducts free of charge or so. That would make it actually worth to build. As it stands, I never build it, be it in the modern or industial age. Even in my French powerplay in September (played with the AU mod) I didn't build it, even though I had a big tech lead. And some unlucky AI builds it then and gains more downsides than benefits.

	30-10-2002 21:32									#330
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Sir Ralph, some people think that Longevity is actually too good if placed at Medicine. I think changing what Longevity does is out of flavor for the AU Mod. Until someone demonstrates that it's a serious problem, I think we should keep the change as is. And, I like it.


Dominae