11-08-2002 15:46									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Lemmy Science and Intelligence are two very important factors for the SSK, if we would all support TKG as Director of Science, and me as Director of Explore/Intelligence, we would be more sure to have someone "we" want in those positions. I don't think i would stand a high chance for Dir. of Science now, with a small coalition, and the Commisioners support already going to TKG. So, Chrisler, would you support me as Dir. of Explore/Intelligence?

I can't speak for Crisler, but you'd have my support. So far there's only one candidate besides yourself.

	11-08-2002 16:30									#32
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Are you guys willing to eliminate any faction that may be in those prime spots that everyone is so eager to grab? You want to get the rovers out there and moving, which is wonderful, but are you prepared to remove another faction if we run upon them? If you are then you better be prepared to delay production and some of the non military research if we happen upon Yang and his merry men or Santiago and her cheery crew. Hopefully we will land on a landmass far enough away from other factions, but there is always that chance that we won't.

Flexibility and Mobility should be given high priority so we can get out there and start getting map data. That way the third and fourth colonies can be prepared carefully. Of course as director of Peackeeping forces i would be more than happy to have military units support in exporation 100% until we meet up with another faction. I may not be from your coalition but at least I have not changed my views many times before mearly to be elected. A Vote for me is not a vote for the other party or coalition, but a vote for an independent thinker and a servent to the people.

	11-08-2002 16:48									#33
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The key here is to make sure our parties agenda can still go forward. I have spoken with both M@ni@c and TKG, both have very similiar ideas for the early game to our own thoughts. They are prepared to bend a bit in our direction for the support we need for the rapid expansion.

Lemmy, I feel that it is a very good idea for you to run for the position of Exploration/Intelligence. You will have 100% of my backing for that position. We need to make sure we hold it since it is vital to our plans.

Gentlemen of ACE, in the early rounds many share our ideas for rapid expansion. As such we are able to compromise a bit on various positions to get our people into some places. We can allows other coalitions to take a few positions because of this similiarity. Through basic political manuvering we are able to help them get their positions, use their similiar philosophies and maintian the early game plan we have already agreed to.

This elcection for First Commissioner has shown that NO single coalition has a clear majority. As such it is vital we be prepared to work with others to some degree to make sure we get the agenda we want. Voting strict party line by ANY coalition will result in the inability to effectively work within the goverment we are forming.

E.L. Crisler
First Commissioner

	11-08-2002 17:14									#34
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I have had a proposal brought to me that I am referring to this council. I was approached by a member of P4's leadership on the possibility of forming an early game coalition. Basically they would like to consider splitting the Cabinet positions between P4 and ACE. We would negotiate which positions each party would actuial take and then provide full backing to the candidate.

I feel this should be discussed, while not an ideal situation it is one that could lead to better outcomes in some of the upcoming elections.

E.L. Crisler
First Commissioner

	11-08-2002 20:44									#35
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quote: I have had a proposal brought to me that I am referring to this council. I was approached by a member of P4's leadership on the possibility of forming an early game coalition. Basically they would like to consider splitting the Cabinet positions between P4 and ACE. We would negotiate which positions each party would actuial take and then provide full backing to the candidate.

i think that could work, only 2 positions need to be resolved
Director of Social Engineering and Director of Foreign Affairs

	11-08-2002 22:15									#36
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I'm currently negotiating with my party members. Expect results tomorrow.

	12-08-2002 00:03									#37
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a split, huh? thats cool with me, but i dont know how the independents will react.

	12-08-2002 03:09									#38
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Lemmy: you got my vote. However, isn't Secret of HB 1 tech away for a certain faction IIRC?

Leland: No apoligies necessary, it's all good I agree with what you say.

Crisler: Your suggestion sounds good. Like I say, the more positions we fill early, the more influence we have on the games style. Saying that, I think the most important positions are definatly Director of Military (DirMil), DirSci, and DirBase. Do we have candidates who have given a vision for these yet?

	12-08-2002 05:15									#39
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what is ACE's policy towards early game SPs(Weatherparadigm, Command Nexus and Citizen's Defence Force)? all out expancion or some SP's also?

	12-08-2002 13:33									#40
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quote: Lemmy: you got my vote. However, isn't Secret of HB 1 tech away for a certain faction IIRC?

hehe, you're right, i tried a couple of games as the unp, none of those times i was first to reach SotHB.

	14-08-2002 02:17									#41
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Yeah, I know what you mean. I am usually a Hive or UoP player myself.

	14-08-2002 04:45									#42
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I have been trying to play Hive lately and to be honest I can just got get the hang of it.

E.L. Crisler
First Commissioner

	16-08-2002 13:47									#43
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now that the nominations are final, which candidates does the ACE support?

	16-08-2002 20:01									#44
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just Emvepe, you and Vlad

	16-08-2002 20:03									#45
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so we're not supporting the P4 candidates?

	16-08-2002 20:04									#46
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o, them too, if they support us

	16-08-2002 20:07									#47
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quote: Originally posted by M@ni@c If I'm correct this is the final list for P4: TKG - Science Juliennew - Base Production Archaic - Social Engineering M@ni@c - Terraforming and Colonization Right? I would like to add that P4 openly supports the candidates of ACE for the other directorates. We as moderates want to prevent the radical CCCP from gaining any director seats. A cooperation for ACE with the divisions of posts seemed in order. But although we support their candidacies and will vote for them, this does not mean we have entered any permanent coalition with ACE. For now we are looking only ahead for this one term. P4 wants to stress it keeps its independent status.

	16-08-2002 20:48									#48
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ok, thanks for clearing that up Archaic, you got my support

	17-08-2002 16:59									#49
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This was posted in the P4 thread and I am copying it here. This hsows they are honorring our agreement. Looks like we and P4 will be splitting the power for the first goverment.

Director of Science - TKG (P4)
Director of the Military - Emvepe (Hawk)
Director of Social Engineering - Archaic (P4)
Director of Foreign Affairs - Mr. President (Capital Party)
Director of Terraformation and Colonization - Maniac (P4)
Director of Base Production - Juliennew (P4)
Director of Exploration and Intelligence - Lemmy (SSK)
Director of Industry and Energy - Vlad Antlerkov (ACE)


E.L. Crisler
First Commissioner

	18-08-2002 07:08									#50
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I have joined the SSK so I now count as a memebr of ACe as well.

Just so you know.

	18-08-2002 08:11									#51
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welcome Haon. try to be as active as possible

	27-08-2002 03:49									#52
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Well ACE? P4 has supported your canditates, it's up to you to provide the rest of the votes to get canditates from both P4 and ACE through. Let's just hope that when the independants votes come into play that they're skewed the same way as the voting block totals.

	27-08-2002 04:11									#53
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don't say that!

	27-08-2002 13:17									#54
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well, i know that at least half of the TSA has voted for these candidates

	27-08-2002 13:51									#55
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Well TKG, the fact that several independants confirmed with me through PM that they've voted for the P4 and ACE canditates (Thanks guy! Really helped my count! ^^ ) seems to indicate we won't have any worries with the non-affiliated citizen's vote. ^^

	28-08-2002 12:10									#56
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Alright ACE, I'd like some explations please. It was our understanding that, in return for your support for the directorates that you weren't contesting, that we'd support you in the directorates we weren't contesting. Now, we played our part, and you got in in all of those. You clearly haven't played yours, or those elections should have been won 18-14 (Or better, taking independants into account.) What went wrong?

	28-08-2002 14:16									#57
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how many didn't vote?

	28-08-2002 15:56									#58
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Let's use D of T&C as an example. 11 us, 18 them.

Assuming no independants, it should've been 18-14. With the independant votes I know, if everyone voted, it should've been around 26-18. See the problem?

Last edited by Archaic on 28-08-2002 at 17:42

	28-08-2002 16:56									#59
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wow
we people in the CDC actually have some freedom of will, and we still win most of the elections

granted, in most of the elections, i did vote for CDC people, but only if there wasn't any independents or better ACE representatives...

	28-08-2002 17:43									#60
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No offense, but *every* canditate was better than the CDC canditates.