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MysteryMan
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Well, I play it as follows:
If I am a warmonger, I don't build the damn thing. Tech is easy to extort (if you have the stronger military) and the cultural effect is fairly unimportant to warmongers.
If I am an enlightened leader then I do build it whenever possible. I still pursue a tech trading/selling policy and don't rely on the library, in fact I often never get a tech from the library. There are 2 compelling reasons to build the Great Library:
1)Culture. I doubt I need to go in depth here
2)I call this The Hasek Theory. "If he's on our side, we won't have to play against him". This means that if you build the Great Library, no one else can build it, thusly no one else can benefit from it.
This SOUNDS good but is not good against the computer, particularly at the higher difficulty settings.
In the older versions of Civ, I could often totally redeem a terrible start if I could get the Great Library. Not anymore. Useless for an early game win (unless you want an early cultural win, good luck with that...)
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WackenOpenAir
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not enough information ???
if you combine all the information around here and translate it to a language a monkey can understand, any monkey can win a deity game.
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Yahweh Sabaoth
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The Heavens
Dec 2002
time: 05:21
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Originally posted by vmxa1
The one case where map size can aler things is a huge map with lots of civs. They can pop so many techs and trade them around that you can get to education very fast. |
But the flip side is that, while education comes up very quickly, thus invalidating the GL, you also can get very easily left in the lurch, with most of the civs having many more techs than you, early in the game... this levels out a bit when the medival era comes 'round, but if you're stuck still researching construction while others are researching theology, well then, you've got some catching up to do.
GL is hence very valuable for crowded large/huge games where the player wants to get Map Making, Philosophy, Code of Laws, Republic, etc., for free, and then readjust strategy as needs be for the new (medival) era.
...now, I am most curious to see if that theory about giving away the GL and re-taking it AFTER education, to make the wonder work anew, is valid! That would radically enhance the value of the wonder, and if it's true, I'm going to smack myself 100 times for not doing this in every damn game.
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MysteryMan
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Getting the GL working again in the modern era could be quite useful. I'll check it the next chance I get and let you know what happens.
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I've beaten the number 2 civ in the game to bloody pulp in different huge-map games and the only time I could get techs from the civ in peace negotiations was on the lower difficulty levels. givin' peace didn't work,extort didn't work. I could buy the techs but I just went to war to GET those techs for FREE... any solution? in the ancient era..yes there is..the GL
Oh, btw I foud it very useful to give sell give sell every tech away to prevent 16 or 24 civs swapping techs like crazy. Seems to work. Why? I think because if the AI is researching the tech you give him their beakers go to 0 and they start over again and the aI does not have anything to trade with.
Last edited by Tolwyn on 20-10-2003 at 14:51
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Khalim
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Sometimes i have fun playing a looooooooog game on a laaaaarge map.
Other times i find it satisfying to go for an early victory, it depends on my mood 
For early victories a figured out for myself this strategy :
(Btw i play basic Civ3 with no Add-Ons, so there might be other civilizations (i.e. Celts) which are as good in ptw/c3c)
I choose Romans or Persians (Legionary/Immortal), develop Iron Working as fast as i can and pray for Iron near one of my maximum of 3-4 cities.
If there´s no iron ... see you later, alligator... and dig my grave 
If there is iron : Lucky me. All cities switch to production of Legionaries/Immortals. Dont waste time building useless Temples. 1-2 Luxuries should be enough to keep your people satisfied.
After building 10-12 of em, i start war with my nearest neighbour and eliminate him, taking over all of his cities which instantly start to produce barracks and, after those are built, more attack units.
continue this until the world lies down to your knees ...
This works fine in Civ3-basic, even though you might get those stinking greek hoplites (1.3.1, i hate em) near to you if playing Romans. Give them a quick death before they can spread.
(In PTW Carthago is even worse. Who invented those Numidian Spearmen ? Blargh, they really can destroy all of my efforts without a little luck).
Of course, this wont work well and fast on a map larger than small (maybe standard).
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ducki
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I've found myself just beating the tar out of Monarch-level by starting exactly the same every single time, regardless of Civ.
If I don't have it, research Pottery at 100%.
Warrior(explore)-Warrior(garrison/explore)-Granary(or prebuild)-Warrior(escort)-Settler
Every time.
I get my second city out very few turns later than the AIs, but my third, fourth, etc come very, very fast. So fast that I rarely have time to build anything in my capitol but Warrior-Settler-Warrior-Settler, though I try to get a Curragh out within the first 10 units I build.
And this is with Random everything except for World Size(standard).
nbarclay has a turn-by-turn analysis on this opening somewhere in this thread if you want to know exactly how many(few) turns your second settler is delayed, but it's not much. Beyond the first Settler, I vary things quite a bit, but the first warrior to the first settler is the same, which I hate, but short of creating a self-imposed rule, it seems the best way to win early.
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Brno, Czech Republic
Oct 2000
time: 06:21
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Interesting, ducki. I would never straitjacket myself with a single set of opening builds, personally -- I may want more or fewer explorers, I may have so many early units (e.g. due to popping warriors from huts) that I build one settler before my granary just for the support boost, I may have so much food and so few shields in my home city that I build a second one to build garrisons to reduce unrest in my home city/ supplement exploration...
But on the other hand, it IS true that I stick to the general formula
explorers - (maybe settler, once in a blue moon something else) - granary - settler/worker factory.
And since I play huge maps, my second, third, and fourth cities are often ALSO settler/worker factories... :-)
USC
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ducki
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I'm not straightjacketing myself, really.
If I have two mined shielded grasslands(or similar food-shield output), rapid expansion is so strong that I find not building the granary slows me down... a lot.
It's non-intuitive that building your first settler later helps you expand faster, but it certainly works for me in every case so far since I read Nathan's analysis, and every time I don't do it, I feel slow.
I really wish the ultra-early granary wasn't so strong - actually, what I wish, is that REX wasn't so strong. As it is, short of a barbarian disaster or a SVC-esque start, I don't think the AI can compete with a human that builds a granary that early. At least at Monarch and below.
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Artifex
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Kentucky USA
Apr 2002
time: 05:21
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Wonder if it works on emperor.
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ducki
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As soon as I patch, I'll find out.
Look for "Ducki Does C3C at Emperor" in the Strat forum in the next couple of weeks.
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Artifex
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Kentucky USA
Apr 2002
time: 05:21
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What exactly is the formula for a settler pump? how many turns per settler and what land do you need for the pump?
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Capt Dizle
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You don't need quite that many shields. If you have a forest handy you will pick up two extra shields on the second and fourth turns.
Six shields is enough. 6+8+7+9=30 shields.
True for PTW, not sure about C3C
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Capt Dizle
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The thing is that if you are running at plus five food the computer will always stick the new worker on a productive tile.
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rebo
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Regarding winning early.
My priority is to kidnap an enemy civ's worker at the earliest oppurtunity. I will then also destory improvements near their capital.
Usually after a few turns you can have a peace treaty even if it costs some money. Thing is a loss of a worker and their tile impovements at such a early stage is crippiling for the AI especially when its in a 'war' state.
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ducki
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Artifex, go check out "Ducki Does C3C at Emperor" in the Strat forum. Dominae and others took great pains in explaining the 4-turn settler pump on my emperor game, which came with a starting location seemingly tailored for a 4-turn settler pump and a 2-turn worker pump.
Once you "get it" it's a truly amazing feeling of awe and power.
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=105424
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steven8r
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of Central Texas
May 2002
time: 23:21
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Originally posted by Lawrenc of Arabia *On a large map, archer rush is still a factor, but not as useful or effective as a later Horsemen rush. Also, since archers are not upgradable past longbowmen, they can be seen as wasted resources, while horsemen go all of the way to Cavalry. |
In C3C, Archers (and Warriors) can upgrade all the way to TOWInfantry.
Archer --> Longbowman --> Guerilla --> TOW Infantry --> EndOfLife.
Warrior --> Swordsman --> Medeival Infantry --> Guerilla --> TOW Infantry --> EndOfLife.
Spearmen will upgrade all the way to Mech Infantry.
Spear --> Pike --> Musket --> Rifle --> Infantry --> Mech Infantry --> EndOfLife.
Chariots (and their line) will be good for early, fast-moving warfare.
Charriot --> Horseman --> Knight --> Cavalry --> EndOfLife.
Know your upgrade paths. Upgrading costs gold, but is usually cheaper than using Sheilds to build 'new' units.
quote:
Originally posted by Barchan
In just about every military around the globe, elite units are the hardest, toughest, best equipped and most capable units in the force. They're exactly the ones you choose for the tough assignments and they're exactly the ones up front leading the regulars into combat (hence the motto "Rangers Lead the Way"). |
The Ancient Greek Phalanx charge was made-up of 3 ranks of soldiers. The Rookies were on the front line. The Veterans were behind the Rooks to pressure them onward and to keep them running forward. The 'Elites' (multiple time veterans) were behind the Vets to cleanup the mess left by the front 2 ranks and keep them from running away. (similar info later posted by LoA and Zachriel)
This is not so diferent a strategy than to 'Guard one's Elites'. It worked for the Greeks IRL.
And check-out Ducki's thread above. Very good 'Pump' info 
 Steven
Last edited by steven8r on 07-01-2004 at 21:01
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15-10-2003 23:55
, yes and no , the AI might get loads of free stuff , but he has nothing at all ( well almost nothing ) of classical military tactics , ..... one good example for this are the demogames , even at deity a small under powered civ ( played by the humans ) goes after a more modern and better equiped civ and beats the heck out of them , ....... 
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