16-08-2002 01:55									#31
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how about an enigma that I cannot understand.

Alexander = Sasha ?

	16-08-2002 02:02									#32
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Then there are the ones that sound funny, even if they make sense.

For example, I always feel like I should excuse myself after saying 'Bert'.

	16-08-2002 02:40									#33
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quote: Originally posted by rah Doesn't Tony come from Antonio?

anthony, i believe

	16-08-2002 02:47									#34
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In mexico we call Antonio "Toņo", Jose becomes "Chepe" or "Pepe", Xavier becomes "Japos", Francisco "Paco", Ernesto "nestor", Fidel "fide", and so on....

	16-08-2002 04:22									#35
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Except for the Fransisco->Paco transition, those all seem quite natural to me. Of course, that's assuming both Jose and Pepe come from some ancient bastardised latin form of Joseph with a good P sound at the end, aikin to the italian Guiseppe.

Another English one: Philippa -> Pippa.

	16-08-2002 05:19									#36
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The one name that I always found intriguing, but for all the wrong reasons, is Bubba. Where did this name come from, and who in their right mind would call their child by it?

	16-08-2002 07:09									#37
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Here's another one. Joaquim = Jajo.

I can appreciate Katherine = Kate, Benjamin = Ben .... etc. The spelling is close enough, and the short form make it easy to call the person.

But I still find it difficuilt to understand why William = Bill, Richard = D*ck, and some of the other examples. Can anyone help ?

	16-08-2002 07:15									#38
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Harold is called Hal Henry is called Harry or Hank Katherine is called Kate

Actually, according to that "name" thread "Hal" is short for Henry, not Harold.

	16-08-2002 08:09									#39
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Johnathon - John or Jon
Nathaniel (or Nathanael) - goes to Nathan or Nate

	16-08-2002 09:07									#40
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Updated my list. Any more names to contribute ?

	16-08-2002 09:23									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Ethelred The French version of John is Jaque

Jacques is James

Jean is John

	16-08-2002 10:05									#42
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robert = rob, robbie [robby]
michael = mike, mikey

but these are all logical. The william-bill, jamse-jim, richard-****, etc are unknown to me

	16-08-2002 10:23									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Buck Birdseed Except for the Fransisco->Paco transition, those all seem quite natural to me.

Another nickname for Francisco in Spain is Curro, the most traditional one maybe, and the origin of the transition is really obscure and funny...

	16-08-2002 11:37									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger Jacques is James Jean is John

Nag, nag, nag, first a Canadian gets on me for mispelling Jaques now I get ragged on again for the same post instead of the Canadians getting it all over at once.

All right Mr. Smarty Frog.

Seames is James.

Sean is John.

	16-08-2002 15:44									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Ubergeek Actually, Jack and Jacques are unrelated names that coincidentally sound the same. Jacques is, IIRC, the French version of James; the French version of John is Jean. Jack came from Jonkin, a Germanic diminuative of the name John. Again, IIRC. (Edited for lousy spelling)

I always thought that Jacques is the French form for German Jakob (English maybe Jacob?)
And Jack may be the short form of Jacob.
Could be wrong, though, haven't been very intenely into that "origin of names" thing.

	16-08-2002 16:08									#46
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oh, yes, that's a good question. how the **** did St. Jacob ( from the hebrew yaakov ) turned into "St. James" ??? what's wrong with the name Jacob?

and I want that 'sasha' question of mine answered.

	16-08-2002 19:55									#47
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Dal (I will NOT call ou Azazel ), it comes from German.

Alexander was a popular name in Russia. Russia had close ties with Germany during the latter half of the 2nd millenia.

Alexander --> Aleksander --> Aleksasha (endearing nickname) --> Alek Sasha --> Sasha




Btw, Alexander is a kosher Jewish name.

When Alexander the great conquered Judea, the Jews were so happy they called all newborns "Alexander" for that year.

	16-08-2002 20:03									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia I think it was developed to save disc space on computers in the 70's.

ROFLMAO

	16-08-2002 20:16									#49
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quote: Seames is James.

Sęamus

	16-08-2002 22:42									#50
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I have seen Elizabeth shortened to "Beth," "Tish," or even "Fish."

I thought the short form for "Magaret" is "Maggie."

And "Sasha" is Russian.

	16-08-2002 23:35									#51
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the question is how did " Alexander " was shortened into "Sasha" in russian.

I am not completely sure that siro is right, but it seems the most logical explanation.

	17-08-2002 00:03									#52
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Is anyone going to answer my Bubba question from above?

	17-08-2002 00:32									#53
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Same name, different origins. I know more Anthonys than Antonios still. Oddly, I haven't heard any Antonios referred to as Tony.

No one calls me Tony. Some do call me Tone. Most call me Ant.

On one occasion I had my name abbreviated to "Oine" (sic), pronounced as in Antoine, but without the Ant bit. (this abbreviation given me by a fit French bird )

	17-08-2002 00:36									#54
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And why does Robert become 'Bob'?

	17-08-2002 02:12									#55
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Robert -> Rob -> Bob.

Classic example of a pet-form initial-change diminutive.

	17-08-2002 02:42									#56
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Sarunas becomes Saras

	17-08-2002 02:44									#57
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Any english man can tell you these.

Like immortal wombat said

Robert = Rob = Bob

William = Will = Bill

Richard = Rick = D1ck

The one i don't get is my gran's name

Elizabeth = Betty ?

Oh and as mentioned earlier, for the brits out there onlt you will get this
Kate is short for Bob.

	17-08-2002 02:45									#58
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What about Bubba?

	17-08-2002 02:47									#59
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Stop being such a ****, Richard.

	17-08-2002 02:49									#60
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I can't hear the word "Bubba" without mentally suffixing "Fat-ass".
Maybe its just me...

Elizabeth = Eli, Eliza, Liza, Lisa, Beth, Betty