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Dauphin is offline Dauphin
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and blame the flooding on the fact buildings were built on a flood plain.

Also, most urban building materials are non-porous, so the water just has to be surface overflow. Given that most of the surface can no longer take water (thanks to buildings that are in the way), you are left with loads of water, and little surface area to hold it on. No surprise flood waters rise.

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@SD

Also they've been cutting down so much forest that nothing is there to absorb the flood.

You think that global warming might have...*flees to the mountains*

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I'm gonna go out on a limb and blame the flooding on the fact buildings were built on a flood plain.

Also, most urban building materials are non-porous, so the water just has to be surface overflow. Given that most of the surface can no longer take water (thanks to buildings that are in the way), you are left with loads of water, and little surface area to hold it on. No surprise flood waters rise.


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doh!

Bush is suptid! verk mugv!!!11111

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Now we're talking. Bush - it's his fault I'm single. Damn him.

* MrWhereItsAt shakes fist

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My new method worked.

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  Old Post 16-08-2002 23:38
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Well I blame Bush for me not being able to get a job, so I suppose we can blame him for all the nasty weather in the world Why not blame the two world wars on him too!

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Countries get very upset when you kill one of their own. Just look how mad the US got when Singapore merely wanted to cane a young American man. Mexico is one of those more civilized nations where they have abolished the death penalty, so they see the execution of one of their own citizens as particularly barbaric.


AN excerpt from this Morning's Chicago Tribune article that dealt with the snub.

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Mexico, which has no death penalty, had argued that Javier Suarez Medina was a Mexican citizen who was denied his right to legal help from the Mexican consulate. Texas authorities said it was not clear whether Suarez, who spent most of his life in the United States, was born in Mexico.
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Gotta love Texas, (we'll just question which country he's actually a citizen of) Then execute him anyway.

Rich

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Fox used it as an excuse to call the trip off. But the real reason is that his agenda wasn't going to be discussed and he could build some distance between himself and Bush.

Not very popular to be thought of as the Grigoes' toady.

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Sceptor107 sure did stir up a lot of posts before his two week vacation.

I wonder if he would be pleased.

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Official Monster Raving Loony Party, 2001 Manifesto

TRANSPORT, ENVIRONMENT & REGIONS

Under a Loony government any prospective home purchaser be issued with a full description of such dictionary terms as 'floodplain', 'coastal erosion' and 'exposed headland'. This will save time explaining why they have no house anymore after nature takes charge of the environment. In addition to this policy, building on floodplains in future will be restricted to large houseboats with recoiling tethers like dog leads. These houses will be able to float up with the floodwater and land safely again in the same place when the water subsides.

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Sounds a more sensible policy than any I have seen from the Tories in years

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Tory policies are a mismatched theft of political ideas from the Raving Loony party, BNP, Natural law party (Yogic flyers) and Monty Python sketches.

Ironically the Labour party stole all their ideas from the Tories.

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I'm gonna go out on a limb and blame the flooding on the fact buildings were built on a flood plain.


Gee... yathink?

Reminds me of something I came across around the time there was heavy flooding along the Mississippi and Missouri rivers. Something about the Army Corps of Engineers mapping out the flood plains, but people building on them anyway.

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Also, most urban building materials are non-porous, so the water just has to be surface overflow. Given that most of the surface can no longer take water (thanks to buildings that are in the way), you are left with loads of water, and little surface area to hold it on. No surprise flood waters rise.


What's next? Building next to a volcano can get your home covered with ash and/or smothered in lava?

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You forgot about the Nationalist Socialist influence, especially for David Blunkett

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  Old Post 17-08-2002 04:49
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The Euro's next will probably blame Bush for the Black Death, the Spanish Inquisition, and the Holocost.

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Probably not. But we can conceivably blame him when the next generation of American children grow up unable to spell "holocaust"...

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Probably not. But we can conceivably blame him when the next generation of American children grow up unable to spell "holocaust"...
You're confusing him with Dan Quayle.

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I've still to see a link on this...

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Consider the source. A troll that is on a two week vacation to Mingapulco almost as soon as he returned from a previous trip to places best not visisted.

I can't give you a link to that thread either. NYE gave a somewhat cryptic clue about that earlier in the thread. I was a bit less cryptic. There were only about 7 posts on his anti-Civ III rant before Ming found it. I clicked on the email notification again a bit later and it was reported as a non-existent address.

So he won't be telling us his source for at least a fortnight.

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A link would be nice,


Did a search for Bush, blame and floods:

http://www.climateark.org/articles/...sp?linkid=14352

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Many Germans believe Bush to blame for European floods

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A less direct statement:

http://argument.independent.co.uk/l...sp?story=324742

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the United States must be persuaded to end its profligate use of energy. If we fail, we in Britain may have to get used to getting as wet every summer as the citizens of have Prague this summer

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/worl...15-80822361.htm

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My my, George Bush has more power than I thought. He can change the weather throughout the world and flood Europe with little more than a year in office. Maybe we really are a super power???

This is one reason why many people in the United States do not take the ignorant rantings of some of our more 'enlightened' European brothers seriously. If people want to talk about conservation of energy and protecting our common environment then only a fool would reject that reasonable dialogue. But the constant blaming of George Bush and America in general is simply childish. When the environmental fanatics grow up then maybe we can come up with a reasonable plan that will not destroy the world's economy in the process.

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The populace is too reactive. They have been whipped into a frenzy by twisting the words of scientists. If you read any European science journal they state that the populist reaction to gloabl warming is doing more harm than good.

The level of floods are not important, its the amount of rainfall and the regularity of heavy rainfall that would be the better indicator of global climate change. Individual flooding events have many causes and are common natural phenomena.

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Over here when it is very hot people say, "see, global warming!" When it is very cold other people say, "See, it is all hype!" The earth has been going through changes for millions of years. The Chicken Little people may have a point but the long term needs to be studied more. Banning spray paint is probably not the answer right now...

There also seems to be a misconception about the general attitude of Americans about the environment. I live in rural, conservative Tennessee and we are very conserned about the environment. We despise clear cutting the forests and people like clean air. I think that some Europeans visit New York or Washington D.C. or listen to a news broadcast and think they are experts on the culture of America.

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That's a very silly reaction. Even if we'd immediately cut emissions to zero, there would still be a significant lag time before noticeable effects on the climate would appear...

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Global warming may have related but right now this is probably El Niño in action. California will get it this winter.

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Hey dont forget the Sun's affect on the global cloud coverage:-)


Here in Denmark, our Lefties blame America no matter what happens, so who listens to them anymore.

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[SIZE=1] Banning spray paint is probably not the answer right now...


Spray paint contains arrosols, which damage the Ozon Layer. A very important environmental problem, but different from the Green house effect that we are talking about here.

I think we are talking about the highly inefficient use of energy in the USA that causes 25% of all the greenhouse emmisions in the world. If you know that the American people only represent 4% of the people on earth, America is relatively the highest contributor to the Green house effect.

It is well accepted that the effects of the greenhouse effect are: more floods, more draught and an overall change in the climats.

If we combine these 2 facts, we can conclude that Americans have the highest responsibility for the increase of floods all over the world.

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