21-08-2002 02:09									#31
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Ralph has been discussing building Warchariots to be upgraded into Knights. They have the same stats as horsemen (except that annoying "wheeled" problem), and are 1/2 the price.

We need them eventually to get our GA.

If we get the chance, let's build a few.

--Togas

	21-08-2002 02:16									#32
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I like chariots too, its just I don't want to trigger a golden age yet(wait till we have all the infrastructure for it). I say we build a few horseman for response now and a few chariots for GA later.
Aggie

	21-08-2002 02:26									#33
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Chariots will be virtually worthless soon. I am looking at building some for future upgrade (does anybody know for a fact if they do upgrade?) but I think we are planning on getting our golden age through construction of wonders. Soon we will have to decide as a golden age soon after the war with france would do wonders for catching up on our infrastructure and perhaps letting us build leo's place and michael's temple enhancement.....

	21-08-2002 04:21									#34
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Building a few war chariots will be useful : they could upgrade up to cavalry if we have the money (hence allowing us not to be completely unprepared, should war arise).
Plus, in case of war, they'll still dispatch enemy Longbowmen, and will be a viable way to trigger a golden age until late medieval. Having some in stock would be handy.

	21-08-2002 13:52									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Aggie I like chariots too, its just I don't want to trigger a golden age yet(wait till we have all the infrastructure for it). I say we build a few horseman for response now and a few chariots for GA later. Aggie

The idea is to keep a few WCs around and send them out with our next attackers stack. We'll let them fight an easy battle against a wounded unit or an archer or longbowman and get our GA.
At the moment it seems that the only way for our civilization to get a GA is through the use of a UU. We can't possibly compete with the AIs at wonder building considering the production bonuses that the AI gets.

	21-08-2002 16:16									#36
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hi ,

we should start to build a large worker force , to clear the junlg , keep the bonus tile's , and replant the regular grassland with forest , ...

have a nice day

	21-08-2002 17:09									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Togas Foreign Ministry Turnthread orders: These orders are a result of Shiber's Map Trading plan. (not quoting for the thread's sake) --Togas

Just pointing out a few problems and suggestions:

1. Germany is willing to pay 6 gold for our WM, not 5, and I'm convinced they would have agreed to pay more if they had more money (alas, they only have 6 gold coins in their coffers).

2. We should buy Greece's WM before we trade with Germany. If we do they might be willing to throw in their WM as well in addition to the 6 gold.

3. When Unortho plays he should be very careful not to ask for less than what we could get for our WM. Instead of using the values you mentioned he should see if we can get more money for our WM. After all, once we get Babylon and Greece's WM our WM will be worth more to the AI civs. I estimate each civ will be willing to part with two to four additional gold coins for our WM once it's been expanded.

	21-08-2002 17:28									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber Just pointing out a few problems and suggestions: 1. Germany is willing to pay 6 gold for our WM, not 5, and I'm convinced they would have agreed to pay more if they had more money (alas, they only have 6 gold coins in their coffers). 2. We should buy Greece's WM before we trade with Germany. If we do they might be willing to throw in their WM as well in addition to the 6 gold. 3. When Unortho plays he should be very careful not to ask for less than what we could get for our WM. Instead of using the values you mentioned he should see if we can get more money for our WM. After all, once we get Babylon and Greece's WM our WM will be worth more to the AI civs. I estimate each civ will be willing to part with two to four additional gold coins for our WM once it's been expanded.

Of course I will milk the AI for all it's worth I take that order to mean: 'Sell it to everyone for as much $ as we can squeeze from their slimy AI fingers.'

Anyway, why should we not sell the map to Germany first? Togas' plan above calls for selling to them AGAIN after we get Greece's map (if the $ is right)

	21-08-2002 17:42									#39
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Germany has 6 gold. According to the foreign advisor we can sell them our current map (before we buy Greece and Babylon's WM, that is) for 6 gold, which is all they got. The second time around they won't have any money left.
Or have I completely misunderstood you?

Btw sorry for pointing our obvious things in my previous post, but it's my plan and I want to see it carried out in the best possible way.

	21-08-2002 18:18									#40
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I am just going by what Togas says. My question, then, is: Why give them a better map when they will already give us all their gold for a lesser map? Why wait till we buy Greece's? Keep them in the dark a bit. Or do you just want their TM updated?

	21-08-2002 18:47									#41
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You're absolutely right. I did not think of this.
Following the same logic, we should sell our WM to Germany before we trade WM for WM with Babylon.

	21-08-2002 22:17									#42
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If my math is correct, these 5 turns will bring us right up to the point of declaring war, turn 11 on Uber's master plan. To those ministers in charge: Begin thinking on the building of the embassy, and how many turns we are willing to wait for the library to be built. There is a poll on that somewhere, I would have to go look it up. Those decisions will all need to be in the next set of orders, going up later today, to be carried out Sunday.

	22-08-2002 21:36									#43
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quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx I am just going by what Togas says. My question, then, is: Why give them a better map when they will already give us all their gold for a lesser map? Why wait till we buy Greece's? Keep them in the dark a bit. Or do you just want their TM updated?

hi ,

, indeed they dont need to get a better map , next thing they shall start to build next to us , ...

no we should wait , and they only have , pfffffffff , 6 banana , .....

have a nice day

	22-08-2002 21:38									#44
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Panag, these turns are over and reported on. Please make suggestions in the new thread for 350 BC